By
Tina Farquarte on
Tuesday, August 28, 2001 - 04:19 pm:
One of my clients is currently having a spitting contest with
the Contracting types at DHHS. It seems that the CO is insisting
that the Prime Contractor (my client) submit "...the necessary
subcontracting forms..." which consists of a checklist made up
of the 13 considerations contained in FAR Part 44.202-2(a). In
addition the CO is requiring such input for all subcontractors
IAW 44.201-1(b)[SAT or 5%, etc.] The client is somewhat new to
Gov Con, and has asked the CO to define "subcontract" The CO's
response was that anything that was not a Prime contract was a
subcontract. At this point, the client asked for
clarification--did the CO mean the Lease Agreement, the Coffee
Service, Reproduction and office supplies--the CO's response was
that anything that was not a prime contract was a subcontract.
All of this brings me to the following points:
1.) Is the Contractor obligated to fill out the Checklist? It
seems to me this is a list of items that the CO must consider in
his approval process, and that by merely having the contractor
fill in the checklist, he is not fulfilling his(CO's) obligation
to objectively evaluate the proposed subcontractor using these
guidelines in their considerations.
2.) If the intent is to approve a subcontract for inclusion, in
the overall cost of a Prime contract, I believe that these
policies and procedures (FAR 44.2)are intended to address costs
incurred directly for the final cost objective, and should not
address such things as rent, equipment leases, etc. UNLESS they
are incurred as a direct cost of the prime contract. only.
While this is lengthy, I found it an interesting situation,
where the CO is being way too literal, and the contractor is
somewhat intimidated by the sheer magnitude of having to respond
(after the fact) for a large group of subs, plus all of the
other supporting vendors etc. Does anyone have any thoughts as
to what the precedent should be for this or similar situations?
Thanks in advance for any insights!!
By
Vern Edwards on
Tuesday, August 28, 2001 - 06:32 pm:
Tina:
FAR 44.101 defines "subcontract" as follows:
"[A]ny contract as defined in Subpart 2.1 entered into by a
subcontractor to furnish supplies or services for performance of
a prime contract or a subcontract. It includes but is not
limited to purchase orders, and changes and modifications to
purchase orders."
It defines "subcontractor" as follows:
"[A]ny supplier, distributor, vendor, or firm that furnishes
supplies or services to or for a prime contractor or another
subcontractor."
Note the word "any." Taken literally, these definitions include
every contract awarded by a prime contractor, and there is some
old case law to that effect. See, for example, Hogan
Mechanical, Inc., ASBCA No. 21,612, March 30, 1978, in which
the Board found that a common carrier was a subcontractor for
purposes of the default clause. In that case the definition of
"subcontractor" was in ASPR and was very similar to the
definition in FAR.
A common sense approach might require approval of only direct
cost subcontractors, but I cannot say that the CO is wrong to
include indirect cost subcontractors, as well.
By
Anonymous
on Wednesday, August 29, 2001 - 02:13 pm:
Tina - you've hit on a pet peeve of mine because, as Vern
notes, the literal language of the FAR does seem to support the
CO's position and the application of the rule varies from CO to
CO. Another place where it becomes a headache is where a large
contractor has to decide what clauses to flow down to
"subcontractors."
Take utilities companies, for example; are they
"subcontractors"? I'd think the answer is "yes" under a literal
reading of the FAR (electricity & water will be used to perform
the contract). Under FAR 52.244-6(c), the prime is required to
flow down certain clauses "where applicable," including
52.222-26 (the EO clause). The EO clause applies to subcontracts
exceeding $10,000, and this includes situations where the
aggregate value of all subcontracts in any 12-month period
exceeds $10,000. The annual electric bill of a large contractor
can easily exceed $10,000.
Is the prime violating the law by not flowing down the EO clause
to the electric company? One govt "authority" I've spoken with
about this says "yes." IMHO, this is crazy.
By
ji20874 on Wednesday, August 29, 2001 - 05:15 pm:
Maybe a reasonable interpretation is that a subcontract is a
contract which a prime contractor issues specifically to support
its prime contract -- a contract that existed before the prime
contract came along and will exist after the prime contract has
expired should not be considered a subcontract for flow-down
purposes and similar purposes -- if there a notion somewhere
that words must be interpreted in a reasonable and prudent
manner, then I suggest this as a reasonable and prudent solution
-- however, in the short term, your particular contractor has to
deal with its assigned contracting officer...
By
Ron Vogt on
Wednesday, August 29, 2001 - 07:49 pm:
Tina (any relation to Tina Casman?) - A reasonable
interpretation is called for here. A subcontractor is a party
that has contracted with the original contractor to perform all
or part of the work that such contractor has itself contracted
to perform. The subcontract is an agreement to perform all or
part of the work that was in the original contract. (This is
paraphrased from Black's Law Dictionary).
Looked at this way, only work that is a necessary part of a
deliverable in the prime contact can be a subcontract. So, are
utility companies subcontractors under a production contract?
No, because the prime contract does not call for the delivery of
electricity, expressly or impliedly. Same for coffee, office
paper, even the lease on the building you occupy. None of these
are a part of the performance that the prime promised.
Is a contract for nuts and bolts a subcontract? Yes, if they are
going on an item in a prime contract, because the nuts and bolts
are a part of the deliverable. The prime promised to deliver an
item, and these are part of it.
In short, anything that the prime itself has not contracted to
perform cannot be the subject of a subcontract.
As with most analyses, there are a thousand ways to play devil's
advocate. For example, what about the lubricating oil for your
drill press? It certainly gets used in the production of prime
contract deliverables, and in fact the item could not be made
without it. However, I would argue that because the oil is not
itself a part or component of the prime deliverable, then it
cannot be the subject of a subcontract.
In your case, reality must override theory. It sounds like your
CO is using an unreasonable definition. Try some of the
suggestions in this forum and see if he or she comes around. You
could even suggest that filling out the checklist for the CO,
and doing anything for contracts that are not subcontracts, is
work that is outside the scope of the prime contract and could
result in an REA. If this is not successful, tactfully take the
issue to someone in the chain above your CO. If everything
fails, document your work spent on these tasks.
By
Vern Edwards on
Wednesday, August 29, 2001 - 10:47 pm:
Ron:
While I sympathize with your common sense approach, it has no
basis in contract language. The definition of subcontract in the
clause, FAR 52.244-2, Subcontracts, does not limit that term
your definition: "an agreement to perform all or part of the
work that was in the original contract." The definition in the
clause could include an insurance company or a utility that
furnishes electricity or a stationer.
What has happened to Tina's contractor is what can happen to
anyone who asks questions only after they've signed a government
contract.
By
bob antonio on Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 08:16 am:
Vern:
I did a quick review of FAR 44.101, 2.101 (contract), and
19.701, and did not find anything there that appears to conflict
with your definition.
By
Anonymous
on Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 08:38 am:
What if the prime has no contract with a sub....I know of
many industries that sell to each other without any written
vehicle.
By
Tina Farquarte on
Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 08:52 am:
Vern:
This contractor has been performing this work for almost 15
years, so they are not totally nieve in the wild world of govcon.
The problem arises from a new CO on the contract. To my
knowledge all attempts to interject logic and reason into this
particular interchange have failed to date. Many of the
suggestions offered here, I have already discussed with the
contractor. In my last discussions with the contractor, they
were awaiting the return from vacation of the CO's boss, so
hopefully soon we can have this mess resolved.
Thanks to all of you for the inputs.
Ron, no relation to Ms. Casman however, we do have a close
mutual friend in the business.
By
Vern Edwards on
Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 10:24 am:
Tina:
If there's been a change in contracting officers and the new
contracting officer is interpreting the term differently than
the previous contracting officer your friends may have a case
that the new interpretation is a breach of contract. Of course,
they need to consult a lawyer about that.
Anonymous:
The definition of subcontract in FAR 44.101 depends on the
definition of contract in FAR 2.101. That definition includes
only contracts that, "except as otherwise authorized, are in
writing." However, I'm not sure how this applies in your case.
As I'm sure you know, in our legal system not all contracts have
to be in writing.
By
Eric Ottinger on
Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 11:54 am:
Tina,
It has always been my understanding that a subcontractor works
to the specifications of the prime contractor. A vendor works to
his/her own specifications. However, the FAR treats vendors as a
subset of subcontractors. See FAR 44.101 Definitions.
In any case, most vendors would be exempt from subcontract
consent under FAR FAR 44.201-1.
My recommendation would be to comply with the FAR 44.201-1. If
the CO wants more than the FAR requires, I would give him/her
some line of stuff to the effect that my higher management has
directed that I comply strictly with the FAR as written and I
have no authority to provide more than the FAR specifies without
consideration and the approval of general counsel. As ignorant
as the CO appears to be, a bit of bluff like this will probably
work.
By the way, the term is “consent,” not “approval.” There is more
than a shade of difference.
Eric
By
Ron Vogt on
Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 01:17 pm:
Vern, it is hard to refute an absolutely literal reading of
the FAR language. What I am saying is that a literal reading
makes no sense whatsoever, especially when you look at what that
literal reading would require you to do. What you are saying is
that a CO, if he or she chooses to, could start requiring the
prime to apply the full range of FAR subcontracting requirements
to every single supplier or vendor to the prime, and there would
be nothing the prime could do about it. You have given the
electric utility and the insurance company as examples, but you
might as well go all the way. You would have to include all
utilities (water, gas, electric, sewer), the cleaning company
that comes in at night, the airlines that you fly on, the gas
station where you fill up your rental car, and on and on. Where
does it end? (On the bright side, picture the following
entertaining scenario: "Hello, TWA? We need to talk about those
standard terms on the back of your tickets.")
Unless you are seriously proposing that the prime should be
considering the FAR subcontracting requirements for all of
these, then you have no choice but to take the common sense
approach. If you don't stop at supplies and services that
specifically support prime contract requirements, then you have
to decide where to draw the line, and that line could go out an
absurd distance.
By
Vern Edwards on
Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 01:45 pm:
Ron:
I agree with you that a literal reading would be too much, but
what we think doesn't matter in Tina's case. The definition of
subcontractor in FAR 44.101 appears in the contract clause. If a
contracting officer chooses to interpret the clause literally,
what are you going to say? That it's stupid? That won't wash. If
the CO won't be reasonable you will have to resort to the legal
guidelines for contract interpretation to prove that the literal
interpretation does not reflect the actual agreement between the
parties.
The CO that Tina has described is taking a literal
interpretation. There would be no point at telling this person
that his/her interpretation is absurd. It wouldn't get you very
far with someone like that.
I'm on your side, Ron. But that may not be enough.
By
Eric Ottinger on
Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 02:14 pm:
Vern & Ron,
Am I missing something. A true vendor contract is very unlikely
to be other than fixed price or over the 5% threshold.
If you just follow FAR 44.201-1, there should be very little
reason to bother with the electric utility, the insurance
company, water, gas, sewer, airlines, etc.
Eric
By
Ron Vogt on
Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 02:52 pm:
Eric, it may be true that many vendor contracts will not meet
the threshold for FAR treatment, whether it's the consent
threshold or the various flowdown thresholds. The real point,
however, is that you should not even have to analyse these for
whether they meet the threshold.
Maybe we can make sense of this if we take our focus off of the
word "any" in 44.101, and look at the phrase "for performance of
a prime contract...." Since it says "a" and not "any"
prime contract, I would argue that it applies only to a
subcontract particularly supporting "a" specific prime contract.
Had it used "any" in that place, then maybe the definition would
apply to all vendors and suppliers that provided a service that
indirectly benefited any prime contract.
Any hope there?
By
Vern Edwards on
Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 03:02 pm:
Eric:
You're right; most indirect cost pool subcontracts wouldn't
require consent even under a literal interpretation of the
definition. But some might; and several might trigger the
notification requirement under FAR 44.201-2.
Vern
By
Eric Ottinger on
Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 03:13 pm:
Ron,
I think, from the point of view of the FAR, a vendor contract
which is other than fixed price or more than 5% of the prime
contract, is such an odd and unlikely thing that it should be
reviewed.
All Tina's client needs to do, is to insist on her right to
follow the rules in the FAR, as written.
As for the hypothetical. I don't think it is a big enough
problem to worry about.
From the point of view of negotiation strategy, if I am dealing
with a conspicuous dim bulb, I would not confuse him/her with
subtleties or fine points.
Eric
By
Eric Ottinger on
Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 03:31 pm:
Vern,
Speaking as someone who has done pricing on occasion--
Starting with 100% of the costs and backing out the prime
contractor costs that have to be in there, backing out the true
subcontracts, and taking into consideration that there will not
be one, but numerous, vendors contributing, the likelihood that
a single vendor contract will account for more than 5% is (it
seems to me) vanishing small.
If Tina’s client somehow went hog wild down at Ralph’s Nut and
Bolt store and spent more than 5% of the contract cost on
nothing but nuts and bolts, I would advise him/her to obtain the
consent (and to get to work on a really good story for DCAA.)
Eric
By
Ron Vogt on
Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 03:58 pm:
Eric, you're still addressing only the 'consent to
subcontract' threshold. What about all of the flowdown
requirements, many of which only need to be above the simplified
acquisition threshold? For a decent-sized company, virtually all
of their vendor and supplier contracts (subcontracts!) would
exceed that.
By
Eric Ottinger on
Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 04:22 pm:
Ron,
Under FAR 44.201-1, the simplified acquisition threshold only
comes into play if the threshold amount is greater than 5%.
If $100K is 5% of the contract, the contract total is
$2,000,000. $100,000 is a lot of nuts and bolts, on a $2,000,000
contract.
Getting back to Tina’s initial post, Tina seems to indicate that
the CO will approve the cost of the subcontract. The CO will not
do that (unless he/she does not know what he/she is doing).
Eric
By
Ron Vogt on
Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 05:35 pm:
Eric, I'm having trouble following you. Are you saying that a
flowdown threshold doesn't kick in until the subcontract is
greater than 5% of the prime contract? Unless I'm
misunderstanding something in the FAR, flowdown is an entirely
different animal than the 'consent to subcontract' requirement.
Some flowdowns are mandatory for all subcontracts. Are you
suggesting that this is overridden by the 5% requirement?
I don't think the problem is as "odd and unlikely" as you think.
It goes beyond the 'consent to subcontract' requirement. There
are mandatory flowdown clauses that must be inserted in all
subcontracts. If we are to interpret a subcontract as all
vendor and supplier contracts, then we must flow down these
clauses in to every single one of our contracts, just because it
may tangentially support the performance of a government prime
contract. Even the SAT is not that difficult to meet,
notwithstanding your nuts and bolts hypothetical (which, by the
way, we buy $Millions per year, and easily more than $100,000
from many companies).
By
Vern Edwards on
Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 06:14 pm:
Eric:
Assume the following:
1. A DOD CO awards a one-year CPFF service contract with a total
estimated cost of $4 million to Division A of XYZ Corporation, a
big firm. The contract includes the Subcontracts clause at FAR
52.244-2. XYZ Corp, having hitherto eschewed government
business, does not have an approved purchasing system.
2. Shortly thereafter, the Accounting Division of XYZ Corp.,
which is not a part of Division A and is located in a different
city, decides to award a $1 million, three-year, FFP contract to
Infosnoop Corporation for corporate-wide data processing
services. Among other things, Infosnoop will process the
payroll, accounts receivable, and accounts payable for XYZ's
contract with DOD. This news leaks to the business press.
3. The literally-minded CO, having read the press accounts,
calls his counterpart at XYZ Corp., who hasn't even heard about
the pending data processing contract, and tells her that
pursuant to paragraph (d) of the Subcontracts clause XYZ will
have to obtain DOD's consent to the data processing contract.
The CO points out that at $5 million the data processing
contract exceeds the simplified acquisition threshold and 5
percent of the total estimated cost of XYZ's contract with DOD
($200,000) and that it is a subcontract as defined by the
Subcontracts clause.
XYZ Corp. managers freak out. They have several contracts in the
works that will exceed $200,000, but that have nothing directly
to do with the DOD contract, and they can't believe that the CO
demands the right to consent (or not) to those deals. "Can this
be right?" they ask.
Can it? In a big company, $100,000 is not all that much of a
contract.
By
Anonymous
on Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 07:16 pm:
I think the CO needs as much work as I have. He/she would be
trying to find ways to avoid all this extra paperwork. Maybe DoD
does have too many contracting people after all.
By
Eric Ottinger on
Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 08:02 pm:
Vern,
I have never heard of an indirect cost being treated as a
subcontract. Has anybody else?
Presumably, the contractor has sufficient motivation to manage
the indirect subcontractors. If this isn't done, the contractor
will not remain competitive.
Ron,
I am just trying to address Tina's question. To my knowledge FAR
44.201 has no bearing on flow-down clauses, one way or another.
The only question is whether or not consent is required.
Anon,
This CO is an extreme example of an 1102 taking something
relatively simple and making more complicated than necessary.
Unfortunately, I have seen this trait in a lot of people with
much better training and more intelligence.
Eric
By
Vern Edwards on
Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 08:31 pm:
Eric:
Well, if you've never heard of it then you didn't read Tina's
opening question, because that is exactly what she complained
that the CO was doing.
The definition of subcontract in FAR 44.101 and in the
Subcontracts clause does not distinguish between contracts
charged directly to a prime contract and contracts charged to
indirect cost pools. Tina, Ron and I think that the CO should
not consider contracts charged to indirect cost accounts to be
subcontracts.
You like to look for case law; see if you can find a case that
distinguishes between contracts awarded by the prime contractor
that are charged directly to the prime contract and contracts
that are charged to indirect cost accounts. I tried, but
couldn't find any.
By
Eric Ottinger on
Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 09:04 pm:
Vern,
I wouldn't take anything on the authority of the CO that Tina
cites.
I have worked as a contract adminstrator, albeit many years ago.
I don't remember that indirect costs were ever an issue for
subcontract consent.
In any case, indirects are an issue for a single ACO or PACO,
not an issue for numerous CO's who might have cognizance of
individual contracts.
Eric
By
Eric Ottinger on
Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 09:21 pm:
Vern,
To make a point which may or may not be apparent, contractors do
all kinds of inappropriate things in overhead. We simply
disallow the costs if they are not reasonable.
If the contractor wants to hire a lobbyist to walk the halls of
Congress, he/she can do that, but the cost would not be
allowable.
Consent is not the way we manage such things. It would entangle
us in issues where we should not and would not wish to be
involved.
I don't expect to find anything in the case law to suggest that
a subcontract is anything other than a direct cost. Hence, I
will leave that exercise to anyone else who might want to take
it on.
Eric
By
Vern Edwards on
Friday, August 31, 2001 - 09:03 am:
Eric:
I agree with you. One thing, however -- you say that indirects
are matters for ACOs and PACOs. Most civilian agencies don't
have separate ACOs or PACOs. One person, the CO, is responsible
for everything in all phases of an acquisition. In Tina's case
the CO works for the Dept. of Health and Human Services.
By
Kennedy How on
Friday, August 31, 2001 - 01:38 pm:
My head is spinning; I'm glad there's a 3-day weekend coming
up. When I did my last $139M weapons system contract, I don't
ever remember having to have the Prime submit subcontracting
info to me for indirects. At least the indirects concerning
office supplies, electricity, and toilet paper. DCAA did do a
subcontracting review, and we did have the approved
subcontracting plans in place, but for the most part, indirect
costs/overheads were negotiated in a pool.
I don't know at what benefit it would be to disapprove
Commonwealth Edison as a subcontractor for electricity, since
they're the only power source for the facility, and CE would
probably tell us to stuff it if we tried to get pushy. That'd be
cutting our own throats.
For the little guy, this seems like overkill. How many times
have you seen an office worker at Office Max buying supplies for
the office? Maybe I should put down "I normally buy toilet paper
at Sam's Club, unless there's a better deal at Target or Meijers.....".
I'm sorry for the sarcasm, but I'm usually not too worried about
whether the utility companies are good subcontractors or not.
Kennedy
By
Ron Vogt on
Friday, August 31, 2001 - 02:38 pm:
Tina's CO and you must not have attended the same training.
This discussion is starting to stray. Before we head down the
A-76 path, let's see where we've been. Tina asked for opinions
and advice: opinions on whether the FAR definition of a
subcontractor included all supporting suppliers and vendors, and
advice on how to respond to the CO who thought so.
The consensus seems to be that while the FAR definition
literally includes all suppliers and vendors, it is absurd to go
this far. Some, however have given examples of COs who have done
just that. As for advice, a few of us have given Tina some
suggestions, but more are always welcome.
Where do we go from here? Is a FAR change in order? While some
say that the problem is very unlikely to occur, the examples
given above say that it is not. What's the proper vehicle for
getting a FAR change started? I think it would be worthwhile if
the collective analyses of the contributors to this forum result
in an improvement to the FAR.
By
Anon2 on Wednesday, September 05, 2001 - 12:50 pm:
A FAR change to address reality is probably in order if for
no other reason than to avoid the occasional idiot taking things
too litterally. However, Vern stated: "but what we think doesn't
matter in Tina's case. The definition of subcontractor in FAR
44.101 appears in the contract clause. If a contracting officer
chooses to interpret the clause literally, what are you going to
say? That it's stupid? "
== well, YES. Why wouldn't an "impossibility of performance"
arguement work? Normally that's used for unrealistic
specifications or performance requirements, but as long as the
CO is being absurd why not an "Alice in Wonderland" response?
Technically, I think such a response would in fact hold water.
And if a protest on the issue should get filed, I would suspect
that either more rational heads will prevail or else the FAR
will, in fact be reworded. The contractor has to make some
response, an impossibility of performance would probably at
least get the thing on the discussion table.
By
Vern Edwards on
Wednesday, September 05, 2001 - 01:53 pm:
Anon2:
The contractor can't just say that compliance is impossible. It
must prove that it's impossible. That might be hard to do.
Also, a disagreement about consent to subcontract would not
involve a protest, since it's a matter of contract
administration, not contract formation. Such a disagreement
might involve a dispute, a final decision, and possibly an
appeal.
Finally, while a FAR change might clear things up, the lack of
board or court decisions about consent to subcontract suggests
that the definition is not a significant source of disputes. |