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Anonymous
on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 09:51 am:
When an Attorney-in-Fact signs a bid bond (SF-24) for a
corporate surety and the bond is accompanied by a power of
attorney, does the location (or place of business) of the
Attorney-in-Fact need to be included on the power of attorney?
In such a situation if neither the bond nor the power of
attorney provides the location of the Attorney-in-Fact, how
would a KO know if the Attorney-in-Fact is located in a state
which the corporate surety is licensed? By Anonymous on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 10:06 am: Let me phrase it another way. Does it matter if the Attorney-in-Fact, signing a bond for a surety, is located within a state that the surety is licensed to do business? By anon1 on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 11:57 am: Anonymous, according to the section quoted and the definition of what an attorney-in-fact is entitled to do, it would appear that he/or she is acting as an agent for the principal soooooo if the principal does not have to reside in the state where the surety company is licensed, I would surmise that neither does the agent. Make sense? I hope By Anonymous on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 12:37 pm: Sorry, TC 570 is short for Treasury Circular 570, your "Approved Sureties" link at http://fms.treas.gov/c570/c570.html. Anon1, if the bond is being "provided" in a state which the surety company isn't licensed in, i.e., the state that the Attorney-in-Fact is providing the bond from, then I would think, according to Note (c), that the bond would be improper. By anon1 on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 02:25 pm: Let me try it from a different angle: By Anonymous on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 05:03 pm: Anon1, the attorney-in-fact is acting as an agent of the surety, not the principal. The principal on a bond is the contractor. The cite I referenced says "a surety company must be licensed in the State or other area in which it provides a bond". If the surety's agent, the attorney-in-fact, provides a bond in a state which the surety isn't licensed, then it seems to me the bond must be considered improper. It sounds as if you are saying that a surety need only be licensed in one state. If so, then why would any surety company listed in Treasury Circular 570 need to show that it was licensed in more than one state. By anon1 on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 05:52 pm: anonymous: By anon1 on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 08:00 pm: anonymous: By Anonymous on Thursday, February 21, 2002 - 09:12 am: Here's the facts. A contractor submitted a bid bond with it's
bid as required by the terms of the IFB. The bond was furnished
by an attorney-in-fact acting for a surety company incorporated
in the state of PA. The power of attorney accompanying the bond
appointed the attorney-in-fact to "...make, execute, and
deliver" surety bonds for the surety (act as the surety's
agent). Neither bond or the power of attorney provided the
address of the attorney-in-fact. The address of the
attorney-in-fact on the bond was the home office of the surety. By AnonX on Thursday, February 21, 2002 - 09:16 am: Anonymous: By anon1 on Thursday, February 21, 2002 - 10:51 am: Anonymous: By Anonymous on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 10:07 am: I have a couple of questions: By Anonymous on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 09:19 pm: Bonds are somewhat like insurance. You must be licensed in the state to sell bonds for projects in that state. The states have regulatory agencies. Believe me, they need to regulate bonding companies. By Anonymous on Monday, February 25, 2002 - 08:51 am: Anon-9:19 pm, are you saying that a surety must be licensed in the state that it provides bonds in, or that a surety must be licensed in the state in which the project is being performed in? By Anonymous on Monday, February 25, 2002 - 09:28 am: Anon, 0851, I just spoke with a local agent for various
construction bonding companies. She confirmed that the bonding
company must be licensed in the state that the project is
located in. By Anonymous on Monday, February 25, 2002 - 09:53 am: Anon-9:28 am, the original posting contains a quote from Note
(c) found at the bottom of the Treasury Circular 570 webpage. It
tends to agree with everything you're bonding agent said except
that a bonding company need be licensed in the state that the
project is being performed in. By Anonymous on Monday, February 25, 2002 - 10:33 am: nope. By Vern Edwards on Monday, February 25, 2002 - 10:49 am: I called the Department of the Treasury's Surety Bond Branch this morning at (202) 874-6850. (Their phone number is on Circular 570.) Anybody with a question about bonds can call them. They were very nice and helpful. (Hint, hint.) According to them, both the surety company and the attorney-in-fact must be licensed in the state in which the bond is executed. Thus, in order to be sure that the bond is valid, you need to know the location of the attorney-in-fact who signed the bond. That does not mean that if the attorney-in-fact's location does not appear on the power of attorney you should reject the bid as nonresponsive (I checked the GAO decisions and couldn't find a case on point), but it probably means that you should find out where the attorney is located. If it turns out that either the surety company or its attorney is not properly licensed, then I suppose that you must reject the bid bond as being invalid and reject the bid as nonresponsive. By Vern Edwards on Monday, February 25, 2002 - 10:55 am: P.S.: Contrary to what Anonymous of 2/25 at 9:28am's "local
agent" says, Treasury Circular 570 says that the surety does
not have to be licensed in the state in which the project is
located. Here is the note from the Circular: Underlining added. By anon1 on Monday, February 25, 2002 - 12:07 pm: So Vern, according to anonymous post of 2-21-2002 9:12, the attorney in fact address seems to be at the location where the PA firm is licensed. Brings us to another interesting scenario. Is the the attorney-in-fact really an attorney which must be licensed in the state since the attorney-in-fact transacts business or other matters in general not of a legal character-Interesting By Vern Edwards on Monday, February 25, 2002 - 01:21 pm: anon1: By Anonymous on Monday, February 25, 2002 - 01:28 pm: FYI--the contractor who provided the bid bond has responded
to an inquiry I made. The attorney-in-fact (his bonding agent)
operates out of Georgia and issued the bond from Georgia. The
state of Georgia is listed on the TC-570 as a state that the
surety company (the one headquartered in Pennsylvania), is
licensed to do business in. Therefore the bond was considered
acceptable. By Vern Edwards on Monday, February 25, 2002 - 01:33 pm: I'll tell you one thing--all these @#%$*& Anonymouses sure
make this thread hard to follow. I can't tell who's talking to
whom. Why can't people who won't give their real names at least
give themselves distinct phony names like: Anonymighty, Clueless
in DC, TrustMe, TheTruth, Gandalf, Delphi or ThePythoness, etc.?
And while I can understand the original questioner not wanting
to provide his/her name, why should anyone trust an answer from
someone who won't give his real name? By anon1 on Monday, February 25, 2002 - 03:36 pm: Cripes Vern, I always used ANON1 By Vern Edwards on Monday, February 25, 2002 - 03:53 pm: anon1: By anon1 on Monday, February 25, 2002 - 04:44 pm: Actually looks like there might have been three ,Vern, but it looks like Anonymous (original) at 1:28 got his answer. Now anonymous (orignal) aren't you glad you didn't reject it out of hand per anonX. Would cost protest money. By Original Anon on Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 09:31 am: Sure am, Anon1. By anon1 on Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 07:45 pm: Right on, seems like you are one of the type of Contracting people I still like to work with on the Federal side of the house, i.e., you asked-Good luck By Anonymous on Wednesday, March 06, 2002 - 03:03 pm: Below is a response from the Treasury folks to question I
(original Anonymous) asked originally: By anon1 on Wednesday, March 06, 2002 - 07:59 pm: anonymous: By Anonymous on Thursday, March 07, 2002 - 09:43 am: Afraid not. According to Treasury, the attorney-in-fact and
the surety are two separate and distinct entities. If a surety
signs a bond on behalf of itself, no power-of-attorney is
required, the individual signing for the surety would have been
given such authority through corporate by-laws or some other
means. If there's a power-of-attorney accompanying a bond, then
the surety is authorizing some entity other than itself to sign
the bond. Therefore, just because an attorney-in-fact signs a
bond using the surety's home office address, doesn't necessarily
mean that the attorney-in-fact is licensed to do business in the
same state that the surety's home office is located. The
attorney-in-fact must still be licensed in the state it executes
the bond. By Anonymous on Thursday, March 07, 2002 - 10:15 am: Anon1-- By joel hoffman on Thursday, March 07, 2002 - 10:20 am: The "attorney-in-fact" typically works for a commercial insurance/bonding agency (e.g., Willis-Corroon Company), acting as an agent for the bonding company (e.g., USF&G), often located in another state. The bonding company has to be licensed in the state where the agent is located. It's pretty simple - similar to an insurance company-agent relationship. State Farm has to be licensed to sell insurance in the state that it's agent is located. happy sails! joel By joel hoffman on Thursday, March 07, 2002 - 10:29 am: I forgot to add that, the agent's location doesn't appear on the bond. Our contract admin offices allow upfront, separate progress payments for the bond. The Contractor furnishes a paid invoice from the agency which sold the bond. That's how we determine who the agent works for - not by reviewing the bond, itself. One should always require that Contractor submit the PAID invoice information with it's request for reimbursement for the bond. You'd be surprised at the number of small constructors that don't pay the bonding company. happy sails! By Anonymous on Thursday, March 07, 2002 - 12:28 pm: Joel-- By joel hoffman on Thursday, March 07, 2002 - 07:16 pm: I've never encountered such a situation. Our attorneys review the performance and payment bonds before the Contractor is allowed to begin work Do the power of attorney accompanying the bid bond and the POA
accompanying the P&P bonds describe the agency the
attorney-in-fact works for? I don't remember and am out of town.
Does anyone working construction contracts know the answer? By Anonymous on Friday, March 08, 2002 - 12:27 pm: Joel-- |