By AnonX on Tuesday, April 16,
2002 - 10:53 am:
I have a contractor who will run out of FY'02 funding on or
about May 31, 2002. He is willing to continue to perform to the
contract schedule at his own risk until FY'03 funding is made
available. FY'03 funding will be sufficient to cover the
contractor's expenditures from June 1, 2002 through the end of
FY '03. However, our attorney has told us that during the time
period that the contractor is performing beyond the allocated
funding, that the Government cannot administer/manage the
program. In essence, we must be "hands-off" during this period.
His reasoning is that if we were to continue to actively manage
the program, we could still be held liable for the contractor's
expenditures, even if additional funding is not forthcoming.
Does anyone know if there is precedence for this; or is our
attorney just living up to his reputation as being the Rush
Limbaugh of Jurisprudence?
AnonX
By casia on Tuesday, April 16,
2002 - 11:01 am:
What kind of a contract is the contractor performing?
By Vern Edwards on Tuesday,
April 16, 2002 - 11:02 am:
I don't know if your attorney is basing his analysis on case law
and I don't know whether your contract is cost-reimbursement or
fixed-price, however, you might want to take a look at FAR §
32.704(c), which says:
"Government personnel encouraging a contractor to continue to
perform work in the absence of funds will incur a violation of
Revised Statutes Section 3679 (31 U.S.C. 1341) that may subject
the violator to civil or criminal penalties."
If you do anything that is interpreted as obligating the
government to an expenditure of appropriated funds when funds
are not available, then you are taking a personal risk.
By Dave Barnett on Tuesday,
April 16, 2002 - 11:26 am:
Vern, I know you read the "Red" book, can one use FY03
appropriations to pay for an FY02 expenditure? Wouldn't the Bona
Fide needs rule come into play. I note that the bona fide needs
rule states that "in some cases arising prior to but continuing
to exist..." may apply but my reading is that this would apply
if a prior years bona fide need wasn't met in that fiscal year
and the bona fide need still existed in the subsequent year. Am
I missing something here?
By Eric Ottinger on Tuesday,
April 16, 2002 - 12:22 pm:
AnonX,
It strikes me that you are in a situation similar to precontract
cost.
Have you or your counsel considered negotiating an agreement
similar to a precontract cost agreement, with a clear statement
that there will be no liability to the government if the
anticipated FY 03 funding does not materialize.
On the whole I agree with your counsel. Even with an advance
agreement I would be very careful what I communicate.
Eric
By Anonymous on Tuesday, April
16, 2002 - 12:49 pm:
Your attorney is correct.
By AnonX on Tuesday, April 16,
2002 - 01:06 pm:
Anonymous - Are you my attorney?
Vern & Casia - It is a CPFF contract and we are operating under
the Limitation of Funds clause. Thank you for you FAR reference,
Vern. This must be his concern, and it sounds like a valid one.
It's not unusual though, that on annually funded contracts of
this type, come September 30th in any given year, the contractor
runs out of funding and the following fiscal-year funding is not
made available until some time in the late-November to early
December time frame. The contractor continues to perform, but we
certainly don't manage these programs any differently under
these circumstances. Is there something about the Continuing
Resolution process that differentiates this type of situation
from the one I described in my initial post? (On a different
topic, I would love a short dissertation on the CR process. I've
never quite understood it. Do you know of a good source for
information on this topic?)
AnonX
By Vern Edwards on Tuesday,
April 16, 2002 - 01:54 pm:
Dave:
You cannot use FY03 appropriations to pay for an FY02
"expenditure." That's because in budgetary terminology an
expenditure is an outlay, i.e., a payment--the issuance of a
check or cash or an electronic transfer of funds to liquidate an
obligation. See: A Glossary of Terms Used in the Federal Budget
Process, Exposure Draft, Revised January 1993, GAO/AFMD-2.1.1.,
pp. 45 and 63-64. An agency making an FY02 expenditure would be
making a payment in FY02, before FY03 funds are available for
obligation or expenditure.
You cannot use FY03 appropriations to pay for an FY02
obligation, either, since an obligation must be recorded at the
time that it is made. An FY02 obligation would be made in FY02,
before an FY03 appropriation is available for obligation.
However, you can obligate FY03 appropriations to pay for an
unfulfilled need that arose in FY02. See: Principles of Federal
Appropriations Law, Second Edition, (the Red Book) p. 5-16:
"If a need arises during a particular fiscal year and the agency
chooses not to satisfy it during that year, perhaps because of
insufficient funds or higher priority needs, and the need
continues to exist in the following year, the obligation to
satisfy that need is properly chargeable to the later year's
funds. 'An unfulfilled need of one period may well be carried
forward to the next as a continuing need with the next period's
appropriation being available for funding.' B-197274, September
23, 1983. Thus, an important corollary of the bona fide needs
rule is that a continuing need is chargeable to funds current
for the year in which the obligation is made, regardless of the
fact that the need may have originated in a prior year."
The key to that passage is the word "unfulfilled." Anonymous
wants to fulfill the FY02 need in FY02 and then pay for it with
FY03 money. According to page 5-18 of the Red Book:
"The essential requirements of the 'continuing need' corollary
are that (1) the need, unmet in the year in which it arose,
must continue to exist in the subsequent obligational period;
(2) the incurring of an obligation must have been discretionary
with the agency to begin with; and (3) no obligation was in fact
incurred during the prior year."
Underlining added.
Anonymous: For a discussion of the continuing resolution process
see the Red Book, Vol. II, Chapter 8, "Continuing Resolutions."
You can access the Red Book through Wifcon's Guidance page.
By Anonymous on Tuesday, April
16, 2002 - 04:15 pm:
Are you all nuts, except for Vern?
Vern,
While I agree with everything
you stated I think your response may be too academic for the
questioner, who obviously misunderstands some very basics.
Of course you cannot have a contractor perform in FY02 under an
unfunded contract, then use FY03 appropriation to fund a
contract to cover what the contractor has already performed
during FY02. At a minimum, this would be a violation of the
Anti-Deficiency Act.
The CPFF contract that currently exists with a Limitation of
Funds clause tells the contractor to perform his best efforts on
the SOW requirements to the extent the the funds have been put
on the contract; to advise the KO anytime the contractor becomes
aware that it cannot complete the SOW within the funds
obligated; and to advise the KO when the contractor has incurred
costs + fee equal to 80% of the funds obligated. The government
then has essentially three options, add additional funds to the
contract to allow the contractor to continue performing the SOW;
reduce the SOW to match the available funding; allow the
contractor to continue performing against the original SOW ONLY
UNTIL COSTS + FEE EQUAL THE FUNDS OBLIGATED, then the contractor
must stop performance.
This is not a subtle nuance of the bona fide need rule. This is
not pre-contract costs. This is contracting 101.
By casia on Tuesday, April 16,
2002 - 04:26 pm:
As a CO, I would be extremely uncomfortable in having a
contractor perform under a contract that has run out of money.
Both parties are very much at risk should the contractor
continue to perform. There must have been some poor
planning/estimating to have run out of money at this time. I
would in this case trust the attorney.
By Anoncon on Tuesday, April
16, 2002 - 07:41 pm:
Anonymous 4:15:
Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed? I don't think we
are all nuts. I think this chat site is intended to explore
possibilities and to seek opinions from others, who for the most
part, have knowledge from their professional experiences. As far
as contracts 101 goes, perhaps you should revisit the LOC or LOF
clause (because we don't really know if the contract was fully
funded or incrementally funded for the period in question or at
least, I didn't see it) and you most likely will find the
percentage expended for notification as well as the time you
provide notification can differ.
(What 75-85%--30 to 90 days)Not neccessarily your laconic
statement of 80%. Nor do I see where it says anything about fee.
It says total cost. What's that mean?
Fact is , in the real world, we have gone at risk on the LOF or
LOC clause, as perhaps others have (although I do not recommend
it)but there is precedent such as unforeseen circumstances or
pending EA's which might grant a Contractor some relief.We
really don't know enough about AnonX situation to give a carte
blanche answer but Vern gave very good sage advice.
My point is, your type of answer might scare away some people on
this site that are new to the profession. They seem to range
from entering the profession(contracting)to 20+ years. I am in
the latter category and always try to find a new way to do
things. Perhaps you might open a little also, after all we are
supposed to be kinder and gentler after 9/11.
By Eric Ottinger on Tuesday,
April 16, 2002 - 09:10 pm:
The FAR addresses AnonX’s situation as follows:
FAR 32.704 Limitation of cost or funds.
“(a)(1) When a contract contains the clause at … 52.232-22,
Limitation of Funds, the contracting officer, upon learning that
the contractor is approaching … the limit of the funds allotted,
shall promptly obtain funding and programming information
pertinent to the contract’s continuation and notify the
contractor in writing that--
(i) Additional funds have been allotted, or the estimated cost
has been increased, in a specified amount;
(ii) The contract is not to be further funded and that the
contractor should submit a proposal for an adjustment of fee, if
any, based on the percentage of work completed in relation to
the total work called for under the contract;
(iii) The contract is to be terminated; or
(iv)(A) The Government is considering whether to allot
additional funds or increase the estimated cost,
(B) the contractor is entitled by the contract terms to stop
work when the funding or cost limit is reached, and
(C) any work beyond the funding or cost limit will be at the
contractor’s risk.
…
(c) Government personnel encouraging a contractor to continue
work in the absence of funds will incur a violation of Revised
Statutes Section 3679 (31 U.S.C. 1341) that may subject the
violator to civil or criminal penalties.”
Since the government does intend to provide additional FY 03
funds, FAR 32.704(a)(iv) is clearly the only correct course of
action. It is the contractor’s call whether to continue at risk
or not.
In context, the prohibition re “encouraging a contractor to
continue work” does not mean that the contractor may not
continue at risk.
(I will note that all of the assumptions underlying earlier
threads no longer seem to be operative. AnonX has presumably
negotiated additional fee to compensate the contractor for
shifting work into FY 03. But now it turns out the contractor
does not want to shift work into FY 03. Nobody is contemplating
a stop-work. And, in light of 32.704(a)(iv) there is no need for
a stop work.)
I believe, based on earlier threads, that AnonX is talking about
deliveries which were slipped from FY 02 to FY 03 due to
performance problems and an overrun. This looks like a “prior
year’s need” to me. I don’t see a bona fide need issue.
Assuming that this is the advanced technology R&D project that
AnonX addressed in earlier threads, it is unrealistic and
unlikely that the contractor and the government technical people
will not talk for four months straight.
I still think an advance agreement similar in principle to a
pre-contract cost agreement is the way to go. Otherwise, AnonX
is going to put the technical people on both sides in a very
difficult situation. An advance agreement would legitimize
necessary communication.
Also, if worse comes to worse, it may be very hard to make the
LOF stick if it turns out that the government and contractor
technical people were conferring regularly. A piece of paper
where the contractor states unequivocally that he knows that he
is at risk, may be a good thing to have. But, as always, AnonX
should run this by his fine agency legal mind.
Anon 4:15,
I am not sure how you conclude that everyone but Vern is nuts
and then ignore his clear elucidation of the “Prior Years’
Needs” rule.
Allowing the contractor to work at risk does not create an
anti-deficiency problem. Encouraging the contractor to continue
at risk most certainly would. There is a difference.
AnonX,
It is true that contractors often recoup September costs with
October funds. In my experience they don’t call attention to
what they are doing, so the issue does not come up. The
peculiarity of your situation is the length of time that the
contractor plans to perform at risk.
I note that you used the phrase “actively manage” in your
initial post. It isn’t clear whether your counsel would consider
other routine communication, which doesn’t rise to level of
“active management,” to be permissible.
Whether it is permissible or not, I would expect such routine
communication to be inevitable.
Perhaps, since the contractor has put you all in an
uncomfortable position, it would be best to reshedule that
quarterly program review to October.
Eric
By Dave Barnett on Wednesday,
April 17, 2002 - 07:40 am:
Sheesh, ask a simple question, get a debate rolling. From my
original question let me provide the following which led to my
question for Vern. I assumed this was a situation of a
contractor providing services. Money had run out and the
services were still required for the period June 02 to Sep 02,
therefore a bona fide need for the services exists in FY02
however FY02 funds for that need are unavailable. My question
was how can FY03 funds be used to pay for services provided for
the period in FY02 where FY02 funding was not available.
I know, I know, words mean things and in the future I will
carefully word my comments so that even the most nit pickiest
can fully gra...arrrrgh
By Anonymous on Wednesday,
April 17, 2002 - 08:37 am:
My understanding of the question was the same as Dave's. That
is, can FY03 money be used to provide "after the fact" funding
for services performed in FY02 under a cost contract beyond the
point at which the contract was funded with FY02 funds?
I believe the answer to that question is an unequivocal NO!
If the question is different ten of course the answer is likely
to be different.
By Dave Barnett on Wednesday,
April 17, 2002 - 09:05 am:
Thanks Anonymous of 8:37, that was my intent.
By Eric Ottinger on Wednesday,
April 17, 2002 - 09:13 am:
Dave and Anon,
Let’s go back to November 28, 2001 when AnonX first brought this
topic up. Per AnonX, “In order to minimize the funding pressure
in FY '02 we are considering deferring some deliveries in '02 as
well as in each of the subsequent calendar years.”
I see no reason to imagine that the deliveries are services
rather than hardware. This would seem to fit the “Prior Years’
Needs” rule to a tee.
With at least a couple more years to go on the contract, “Nuts”
would be terminating the contract at the end of May. I can’t
imagine how that would benefit either party. I would be very
surprised if the the senior people in AnonX's organization
allowed that to happen.
Eric
By joel hoffman on Wednesday,
April 17, 2002 - 09:14 am:
In summary of the above, it appears that FY02 funds must be used
to meet an obligation incurred in FY02 and that the questioner's
agency must find some FY02 funding, if they are going to pay for
the service. From my understanding of one year funds (well, at
least DOD O&M funds), they remain available to pay for
obligations incurred during their "active" life and for in-scope
changes to the original contract, until exhausted. Thus, the
agency could scrounge up unused funds to pay for the FY02
service - as long as the Contractor was not encouraged to
continue performance and unilaterally continued, on its own. Am
I correct, so far?
It would be interesting to find some examples, testing the
limits of "encouragement." I would think that accepting the
services would be tantamount to encouraging continued
performance, but would like to see some examples. happy sails!
joel
By joel hoffman on Wednesday,
April 17, 2002 - 09:17 am:
AnonX- is this a service or supply contract? If it is CPFF, does
it mater? happy sails! joel
By AnonX on Wednesday, April
17, 2002 - 10:01 am:
For clarification:
The contract in question is a different contract then the one
discussed in previous threads regarding fee.
Also, the contract is a combined services/supplies contract and
is incrementally funded on an annual basis.
Thanks to all of you for your insight.
AnonX
By Eric Ottinger on Wednesday,
April 17, 2002 - 10:08 am:
AnonX,
Apologies for the incorrect assumption.
I take it the government is not going to receive either the
supplies or the services until FY 03. Is this correct?
Eric
By Vern Edwards on Wednesday,
April 17, 2002 - 10:40 am:
All:
AnonX has said that the contract is an incrementally-funded
cost-reimbursement contract (he said that it included the
Limitation of Funds clause) and that it is "annually funded." I
presume that when he/she says "annually funded" he/she means
that the funds come from an annual appropriation.
Now let's follow Eric's lead and suppose that the contract is
for supplies rather than for services. As I understand it,
Eric's plan is to: (1) notify the contractor that the government
"is considering whether to allot additional funds or increase
the estimated cost"; (2) enter into an advance agreement with
the contractor in which the contractor acknowledges that if it
continues to work it will perform at its own risk and with no
obligation by the government and that the government's
continuing communications do not constitute "encouragement"; and
(3) pay for the work with FY03 funds, pursuant to the "prior
years" corollary to the bona fide needs rule. The question
before us is whether or not that plan will work.
I'm not sure that it will.
Here is the problem as I see it. A contract already exists for
the supplies, contingent upon the availability of funds. The
Limitation of Funds clause includes a paragraph (i), which says:
"When and to the extent that the amount allotted by the
Government to the contract is increased, any costs the
Contractor incurs before the increase that are in excess of (1)
the amount previously allotted by the Government or, (2) if this
is a cost-sharing contract, the amount previously allotted by
the Government to the contract plus the Contractor's
corresponding share, shall be allowable to the same extent as if
incurred afterward, unless the Contracting Officer issues a
termination or other notice and directs that the increase is
solely to cover termination or other specified expenses."
The GAO has said:
"The essential requirements of the 'continuing need' corollary
are that (1) the need, unmet in the year in which it arose, must
continue to exist in the subsequent obligation period; (2) the
incurring of an obligation must have been discretionary with the
agency to begin with; and (3) no obligation was in fact
incurred during the prior year. If the agency has no
discretion as to the timing of an obligation (for example, in
situations where the obligation arises by operation of law), or,
even in discretionary situations, if the agency has actually
incurred a valid obligation in the prior year (whether recorded
or unrecorded), then the 'continuing need' concept has no
application and the obligation must be charged to the prior
year. Absent statutory authority, current appropriations are not
available to fund an obligation or liability (as opposed to an
unmet and unobligated-for need) of a prior obligational period."
Underlining added. Principles of Federal Appropriations Law,
Second Edition, Vol. I, Ch. 5, p. 5-18.
It seems to me that postponing the delivery of the supplies
under the existing contract until some time in FY03 might not be
enough to meet the third of GAO's "essential requirements" for
use of the continuing need rule. We have to decide whether or
not merely deferring the provision of additional funds until
FY03 satisfies the "no obligation" requirement. Some might argue
that paragraph (i) of the Limitation of Funds clause and the
advance agreement with the contractor are prime facie evidence
of an obligation, or at least of a de facto obligation (if there
is such a thing). Or they might argue that those texts are
evidence that the supplies are a bona fide need of FY02 that
cannot be funded with FY03 money.
On the other hand, some will argue that there was no obligation
because of the second sentence of paragraph (e) of the
Limitation of Funds clause, which says:
"In the absence of the specified notice, the Government is not
obligated to reimburse the Contractor for any costs in excess of
the total amount allotted by the Government to this contract,
whether incurred during the course of the contract or as a
result of termination."
On at least two occasions the GAO has held that it is improper
to incrementally fund nonseverable service contracts across
fiscal years without express statutory authority. In the main
decision, Incremental Funding of Multiyear Contracts, 71
Comp. Gen. 428 (1992), B-241415, the GAO said:
"We agree that the inclusion of the Limitation of Funds clause
in a contract would prevent an Antideficiency Act violation. The
difficulty, however, is that although such a clause limits the
obligation initially incurred, it does not remedy the bona fide
needs problems that necessarily arises when an agency attempts
to charge subsequent year(s) appropriations for the needs of a
prior year. Further, use of the clause will not free an agency
from the future-year dilemma of either abandoning a partially
completed project or completing the project at the cost of
funding other priority activities."
However, since that decision had to do with nonseverable
services it is not clear how, if at all, it applies to supply
contracts.
We could pursue this inquiry a long way, but I don't have either
the time or the inclination to engage in speculation. I simply
don't know enough about AnonX's contract or requirement to know
whether deferring delivery of supplies until FY03, if supplies
are what AnonX is buying, will allow him/her to use FY03 funds.
If we are going to continue this discussion intelligently, we
need the answers to some questions, including: Is the contract
really funded with annual appropriations? (That is crucially
important.) Is the contract for supplies, services, or both?
(Also crucially important.) What work will the contractor be
doing during the unfunded period? (May be crucially important.)
If AnonX wants to continue with this discussion, then he/she
should answer those questions and perhaps a few more. While I
enjoy these discussions, I don't want to invest time and energy
only to have AnonX change the course of the debate time and
again by dribbling out new information a bit at a time.
By Eric Ottinger on Wednesday,
April 17, 2002 - 11:04 am:
Since I assume that we are discussing the issues rather than
providing authoritative advice, I don’t really mind if we don’t
have absolutely all of the facts.
Everything that Vern has said seems to be cogent. However, to my
worker-bee mind, “obligation” normally doesn’t happen until the
money is on the contract.
Using the “Availability of Funds” clause we may sign contracts
in September of FY 02 that will be funded with FY 03 money. That
would seem to be parallel to the situation which AnonX
describes.
The question of what constitutes an “obligation” is a question
for agency counsel. Barring the extreme case where AnonX is
advised to do something illegal or totally stupid, that is the
place where AnonX should be getting advice.
If I were AnonX, I most certainly would not accept any services
between June and September.
Eric
By Vern Edwards on Wednesday,
April 17, 2002 - 11:37 am:
Eric wrote: "However, to my worker-bee mind, 'obligation'
normally doesn’t happen until the money is on the contract."
It is important to recognize the distinction between obligating
the government and recording an obligation. Here's the GAO:
"Thus, in very general and simplified terms, an 'obligation' is
some action that creates a liability or definite commitment on
the part of the government to make a disbursement at some later
time."
Principles of Federal Appropriations Law, Second Edition,
Vol. II, Ch. 7, p. 7-4.
And again:
"It is important to emphasize the relationship between the
existence of an obligation and the act of recording it.
Recording evidences the obligation but does not create it. If a
given transaction is not sufficient to constitute a valid
obligation, recording it will not make it one... . Conversely,
failing to record a valid obligation in no way diminishes its
validity or affects the fiscal year to which it is properly
chargeable."
Ibid., pp. 7-6 to 7-7.
An obligation may happen well before money is "on the contract."
Too many contracting officers think that an obligation doesn't
happen until the contracting officer puts a fund citation on a
contract document. Too many think that "putting funds on the
contract" is the same as obligating funds. They are not
necessarily the same. A board or court might find that the
Limitation of Funds clause and Eric's advance agreement, when
read together, constituted a promise to fund the contract if
funds became available. Some might call that promise an
obligation.
I advise caution. AnonX's issue is complex and tricky.
By Eric Ottinger on Wednesday,
April 17, 2002 - 11:56 am:
Actually Vern, you are advising termination, which would be a
rash thing to do before the wise heads at the agency have
considered this issue very carefully.
(I should note that AnonX’s counsel doesn’t seem to see an
anti-deficiency problem. From the little bit that AnonX passed
on, I assume that this individual is conservative. I see no
point in questioning the competence of this individual for the
purpose of this thread.)
As you say, "Thus, in very general and simplified terms, an
'obligation' is some action that creates a liability or definite
commitment on the part of the government to make a disbursement
at some later time."
We sometimes sign contracts with the explicit understanding that
the government will not be committed to make a disbursement
until Congress appropriates funds at some point in the future.
That’s the purpose of the “Availability of Funds” clause.
Eric
By Vern Edwards on Wednesday,
April 17, 2002 - 12:34 pm:
Eric:
I'm haven't advised anything except caution. I'm certainly not
advising termination. (Whatever gave you that idea?) I don't
know enough about AnonX's contract to give advice about it, much
less advice to terminate it.
Also, you attribute to me the quote about the nature of an
obligation. I must, in all modesty, report that the GAO said
that, not I. I merely quoted the GAO.
The question that must be answered is whether AnonX can use FY03
money to finish what was started with FY02 money. I don't know
the answer to that question. Do you?
Do you know how AnonX's contract is written? Do you know the
CLIN structure or the contents of the S.O.W.? I don't. That's
why I'm not giving any advice. And if you don't, then neither of
us should be giving any advice, including advice not to accept
any services between June and September. (Of course, I'm
assuming that you meant "accept" in the sense in which it is
used in FAR Part 46.)
By Eric Ottinger on Wednesday,
April 17, 2002 - 01:33 pm:
Vern,
I am addressing the question that AnonX asked, not questioning
whether AnonX's counsel had led him into anti-deficiency.
Since I try not to take myself too seriously and I assume that
the people advising AnonX are big boys who can think for
themselves, the remainder of your questions are irrelevant.
Once more-- I regard this forum as a place to discuss issues. I
regard anyone, who comes here looking for authoritative advice,
when they should be talking to their supervisors and agency
counsel, as people displaying very bad judgment.
Eric
By Dave Barnett on Wednesday,
April 17, 2002 - 01:50 pm:
I see nothing wrong with coming to this forum and asking
questions. Any advice received is free and should be so treated.
I prefer to do some reading on my own and then solicit ideas
from sources other than within my organization since offices
begin to develop a certain mind set when approaching some
issues. Also, fresh ideas can help in developing innovative
approaches.
By Vern Edwards on Wednesday,
April 17, 2002 - 01:53 pm:
Eric:
Uh-huh. Okay.
Vern
By AnonX on Wednesday, April
17, 2002 - 02:03 pm:
Vern - I apologize for "dribbling" information out, but it's
difficult to determine what is pertinent to the issue until the
questions surface. The only item I believe I have left out of my
previous post is that the contractor will not be deliverying any
supplies or services through the end of this fiscal year. His
efforts will be focused on completing his development efforts in
support of some prototype deliveries in 2003. There were two
design reviews scheduled for later this fiscal year that have
now been postponed to 2003 due to our attorney's advice.
AnonX
By Eric Ottinger on Wednesday,
April 17, 2002 - 02:22 pm:
Dave,
Lest I be misunderstood--
Many offices, supervisors and counsel are stuck in a rut. Many
do things which are illogical, unbusinesslike or borderline
improper. Nevertheless, I don’t advise contract specialists to
butt heads with their supervisors or agency counsel.
As a general rule I don’t try to win arguments. I try to give
people what they need to think things through and convince
themselves.
Vern does like arguments, and that does give a different shape
to the dialogue. Vern will even, very occasionally, concede a
point, as I guess he just did.
I sincerely hope that nobody goes back to their supervisor with
some recommendation on the authority of this Ottinger guy that
he met in a chat room. If he wants to borrow an idea, a
reference or a citation, more power to him.
In short, I don’t disagree with you, and I hope that I haven’t
given you any offense.
Eric
By Vern Edwards on Wednesday,
April 17, 2002 - 02:26 pm:
AnonX:
Is the contract funded with RDT&E money or some other type of
funding?
By Dave Barnett on Wednesday,
April 17, 2002 - 02:32 pm:
No offense taken, and I never cite an opinion from wifcon or
artnet as an authority, though I have some people in my office
who like to cite as their authority "per Dave". They're the ones
I constantly ask, "What did your supervisor say" or "What does
the FAR say on the subject".
Funny thing is, after 20 years in this business, I'm still
learning something new everyday, usually on my own (or with a
bit of prodding from the likes of Ed, Vern, Joel, Bob etal).
By Anonymous on Wednesday,
April 17, 2002 - 02:40 pm:
AnonX,
The critical issues, in my mind, are as follows:
Are annual appropriations being used to provide contract
funding? (I assume the answer is yes for what follows.)
To the extent the contract requires the contractor to perform
services or deliver supplies, the Government has created an
obligation to pay for those supplies or services, provided they
conform to contract specs or SOW, when it entered into the
contract. The Limitation of Funds clause essentially limits the
Government's obligation to accept and pay for conforming
supplies/services to the extent funds have been allocated to the
contract (and, in consonance, equally limits the contractor's
obligation to perform). In essence, the Limitation of Funds
clause causes the Government's obligation to be directly equal
to the recording of that obligation because recording the
obligation in the form of putting funds on the contract defines
the Limitations of the Limitation of funds clause.
The issue you have raised is a separate issue of Appropriations
law; i.e., for what purpose and in what manner may annual
appropriations be used to fund the Government's obligation under
the contract. The primary factors are fiscal-year related and
prospective funding. The bona fide need rule essentially states
that annual appropriations may only be used to fund obligations
that are created to satisfy bona fide needs of that fiscal year.
The continuing need corollary that has been mentioned, in
essence, reflects that a need that may have originally risen in
a prior fiscal year, but was not satisfied in that fiscal year (i.e,
no order/contract or obligation was created in the prior fiscal
year), remains unsatisfied and may still be needed, becoming a
bona fide need of the subsequesnt fiscal year. If a decision is
now made to satisfy that need, current year funding may be used
to fund the newly created obligation. Prospective funding means
you cannot use current appropriations to fund a previously
established obligation, regardlkess of when delivery takes
place. If you enter into a contract for widgets in FY01, for
which annual appropriations are used, you must fund the
obligation created upon contract execution in full using FY01
funds, even though deliveries may stretch out through FY02 into
FY03. Likewise, services performed in FY01 must be funded with
FY01 funds; services performed in FY02 must be funded with FY02
funds, etc., except to the extent that a particular service is
non-severable into separate periods and the performance period
crosses fiscal years. At least within DOD, such a non-severable
service may be and must be funded with the funds current at the
inception, and the total performance period may not exceed one
calendar year.
By Vern Edwards on Wednesday,
April 17, 2002 - 02:52 pm:
Eric:
I didn't concede anything to you. Where do you get these
interpretations?
You plunged into this discussion from a platform constructed of
all sorts of invalid assumptions ("I believe, based on earlier
threads, that AnonX is talking about deliveries which were
slipped from FY 02 to FY 03 due to performance problems and an
overrun. This looks like a 'prior year’s need' to me. I don’t
see a bona fide need issue." and "I see no reason to imagine
that the deliveries are services rather than hardware. This
would seem to fit the 'Prior Years' Needs' rule to a tee.") and
suggested a course of action. You even said that it was "clearly
the only correct course of action." Then, when you realized that
you had been hasty, you tried to point a finger at me: "Actually
Vern, you are advising termination, which would be a rash thing
to do before the wise heads at the agency have considered this
issue very carefully." I never did any such thing. Never said
it; never hinted at it. Not even close. The only advice I ever
gave in this thread was to be careful. Next, when confronted
with some pointed questions, you tried to dodge the bullet by
calling them "irrelevant" instead of simply admitting that you
didn't know the answers. You remind me of a guy who yells
"Yahoo! Bar fight!" and charges in, only to turn and run when he
sees people hitting each other.
Don't worry about being misunderstood. The people who've been
paying attention here understand you perfectly.
By AnonX on Wednesday, April
17, 2002 - 02:52 pm:
It is RDT&E funding from annual appropriations.
AnonX
By Eric Ottinger on Wednesday,
April 17, 2002 - 03:36 pm:
Vern,
AnonX has presented us with two distinct “Contractor runs out of
money in FY 02 and deliveries are in FY 03. What should I do?”
scenarios. I was incorrect to think this was all the same
scenario, but I was not unreasonable.
As for the arm waving to the effect that you are not advising
termination, it can’t be that complicated. Either it is
anti-deficiency or it isn’t.
As far as I can tell, short of a termination, the agency has no
authority to tell the contractor that he cannot work “at risk”
if he clearly understands that he is at risk and chooses to do
so.
As usual I think your rhetoric is getting way out ahead of your
logic.
I would note that I and agency counsel seem to be thinking along
the same lines. I recommended moving the program review to
October and agency counsel advised moving the design reviews to
FY 03. I haven’t met this fellow (or lady) but I am beginning to
like him a lot.
Eric
By Vern Edwards on Wednesday,
April 17, 2002 - 03:57 pm:
AnonX:
When a multiple year (not multi-year) development contract is
incrementally funded with RDT&E money, the parties are supposed
to develop a program execution plan based on a annual funding
plan (funding profile). Congress appropriates RDT&E money
annually to cover the work described in the government's budget
submission for each program year. If the contractor overruns,
then the agency should either obtain additional money;
restructure their program to permit continuation of the work
within the original funding and adjust its budget submissions to
Congress to reflect changed out-year funding requirements; or
terminate the contract.
According to DOD 7000.14-R, DOD Financial Management Regulation,
Volume 2A, Section 010213, RDT&E -- Incremental Programming and
Budgeting Basics:
"Annual estimates of initial financing needed for new major
weapon systems and other development programs and projects
requiring several years to complete, and which involve contracts
spanning more than one year, should be formulated to cover costs
expected to be incurred during each fiscal year. Generally this
will represent a 9-month or lesser period for the initial, first
year increment of a new start program due to the nature and
timing of the congressional budget approval. The second and
succeeding increments will be programmed and financed for the
entire fiscal year... In this regard, DoD components should make
every effort to align subsequent years’ funding requirements on
an annual basis coincident with the fiscal year, although it is
recognized that there may be circumstances where this will not
be feasible. The estimate of the financing required in the
budget year to continue development projects must always take
into account any changes (such as slippage’s) that have
occurred. RDT&E funding requirements should be based on
forecasted obligations that consider costs and timelines for
each milestone and other programmatic event."
If you are currently in an overrun situation and do not
realistically expect to recover to the original budgeted cost of
the work scheduled by completion, but want to continue your
program, then you should restructure the program to permit the
contractor to continue working at some level during the
remainder of FY02 and amend your budget request for FY03 (and
other years?) to obtain the additional funds that you will need
to pay for the overrun. If you do not change your budget request
and use the FY03 appropriation to pay the contractor for the
work that it continued to do at its own risk during June through
September, then you will face this overrun problem again in
FY03, not to mention the ire of Congress and higher level agency
management when the overrun can't be hidden any longer.
It may be tempting to let the contractor continue to work at its
own risk until funds become available. Some will argue that
stretching out the performance may make the overrun worse, but
if you let the contractor continue to work at the same pace and
pay for it with next year's program funds you will be robbing
Peter to pay Paul. You will have to face the overrun sooner or
later. I know of one brilliant colonel on a famous program who
wrecked his military career that way.
I may still not understand your program or your situation, but I
have given the best response that I can based on what I know.
Vern
By Smokey on Thursday, April
18, 2002 - 11:15 am:
Wow...Rush Limbaugh made the wifcon site...unbelievable.
Lack of planning and bad program management is the problem here,
but as usual, they look at the CO to pull the rabbit out of the
hat.
If this were my program and the contractor elected to continue
performance, I would not so much as approve a submittal during
this period. I am sure I would take some heat, but so be it.
This is a program management problem, not my contract's terms
and conditions.
Vern...was the Col at LA AFB????
By Vern Edwards on Thursday,
April 18, 2002 - 11:30 am:
Smokey:
Yes.
By anon11:30 on Thursday, April
18, 2002 - 11:31 am:
There is a possibility that the Contractor isn't performing
within cost and or time targets/budgets...
By Vern Edwards on Thursday,
April 18, 2002 - 11:56 am:
Smokey:
I will take issue with one thing that you said: I think it's a
program management problem and a contracting problem.
Anyone managing an incrementally-funded contract should read the
Limitation of Cost clause carefully, especially paragraph (b),
which is often given scant attention. That first sentence of
that paragraph says:
"The Schedule specifies the amount presently available for
payment by the Government and allotted to this contract, the
items covered... and the period of performance it is estimated
the allotted amount will cover."
The reference to "items covered" should be interpreted as
referring to elements of the work breakdown structure, not
contract line items. Under a well-managed, incrementally-funded
contract in a well-managed program, the government and the
contractor should agree on what work will be done with the
amount allotted during the period of performance and should
describe that work in the contract schedule or in an attachment
in terms of specific contract work breakdown structure (WBS)
elements. This description should be linked to the contract
budgeted cost of the work scheduled (BCWS) and the contract
schedule. If the parties don't do this, then they are not
"managing" the program or the contract in any meaningful sense
of the word.
I think that the CO has an important role to play in that
program/contract management process, assuming that he or she is
familiar with the contract work breakdown structure and
understands at least the rudiments of project planning and cost
and schedule control techniques. If the parties decide to
restructure the program, the CO is the one who will have to
analyze the costs associated with the changes and negotiate the
necessary contract modification. The program manager and the
contracting officer have to work together and with the
contractor to fashion a solution that is workable within the
available funding and to understand the prospective impact on
overall program costs.
Proper and effective use of incremental-funding under the
Limitation of Funds clause requires that the parties agree to a
program plan--a schedule and budget--and include that plan in
the contract as required by paragraph (b) of the Limitation of
Funds clause. Program/contract restructuring is a matter
negotiating changes to those schedules and budgets. I think that
COs have a crucially important role to play in that process. It
is the role that I played when I was a contracting officer.
By Smokey on Friday, April 19,
2002 - 03:12 pm:
Vern...of course I agree with you, I never meant to imply that
the CO was not an important member of the team. Heck, on my
program, they considered me the Deputy Program Manager!
What I meant to say was....I bet this program was in trouble
long before 16 Apr 02, the first post. My experience has
been....program starts sliding right, IPT puts their collective
heads together, decides they can catch up, reports "we're
okay...we're okay..." and boom, soon realizes they are not okay.
As a CO on major "non-developmental (right!) program", I saw
this happen time and time again. I believe they thought they
could catch up, but never could.
Then, add to it the fact that the PM never wants to report to
the Director that his program is in trouble.
What you outlined in Para 4 is exactly what needs to happen, but
my experience has been that is rarely does. As a CO, it is real
tough to force the PM(s) to go thru the process you outlined,
especially if they are both convinced it is not as bad as it
looks...
By Vern Edwards on Friday,
April 19, 2002 - 03:31 pm:
Smokey:
I like your description: We're okay... we'll be okay... uh,
guys, we're not okay!
In order to catch up and recover the overrun the contractor will
have to work more efficiently and effectively than it did at
first and, of course, they always think they will.
Vern
By Eric Ottinger on Monday,
April 22, 2002 - 09:43 pm:
I know I am being repetitive at this point. But let me
reemphasize that AnonX started this thread with a statement that
his cautious, conservative agency counsel had reviewed this
situation.
I don’t know what all of the facts are. Nor do I know how agency
counsel approached this issue. I don’t know that there is an
overrun (rather than an acceleration). And I don’t know whether
anyone is in any way at fault.
I should also note that I don’t know whether the shortfall is a
significant percentage of the amount estimated for the fiscal
year. (It might be that most of the money is going to
subcontractors. It might be that the cost increase is in one of
these subcontracts. It might be that the cost increase is due to
changes in market conditions and not due to any failure on the
part of program management.)
At this point I really don’t want to know. This is a good forum
for discussing issues, not for discussing the propriety of any
particular real world contract decision.
Vern,
I would note that it impossible to get from the text that you
cite to the conclusions that you reach without already being
expert in appropriation law.
I am not expert in appropriation law. In fact I am so inexpert
that I would in all cases seek out a real expert and rely on
that expert.
I can understand how a promising colonel who keeps sweeping
overruns under the rug might find his career seriously
shortened. All I know about AnonX’s agency is that AnonX
considers his counsel to be conservative. I doubt a conservative
general counsel is hiding overruns under the rug. On the other
hand, I don’t really know one way or the other.
AnonX hasn’t said anything about an overrun. Nor do I know how
the work planned lines up with the program execution plan.
AnonX,
If you really had questions about the legality of what your
agency is doing, I expect that you wouldn’t be discussing the
issue with strangers at the local bar.
I trust you see my point.
For whatever it is worth—
I have never personally encountered this kind of problem (i.e. a
contractor working at risk for four months). To this extent that
this might result from bad program management on either side, I
would consider it entirely unacceptable.
Getting back to the original question, I really don’t know what
I would do in AnonX’s position. I would certainly take counsel
with any wise heads that I knew and my highly intelligent legal
counsel.
Eric
By Vern Edwards on Monday,
April 22, 2002 - 11:09 pm:
Eric:
Which conclusions of mine are you referring to? The ones about
how to interpret paragraph (b) of the LOF clause? Heck, that's
not a matter of expertise in appropriations law. Appropriations
law doesn't have anything to do with it. Like Smokey said,
that's just good old program/contract management know-how of the
kind that a good contracting officer is supposed to have. The
kind that I learned 25 years ago from contracting pros like Ed
Hancock, Jim Mahoney, C. Howard Kirk, Bob Crossley, Ron Hudson,
and Cecil Moore, and program managers like Gen. Don Henderson
and Gen. Ralph Tourino. Great SPO (system program office)
contracting officers and program managers, all.
AnonX says his contractor will run out of money by the end of
May, but that it is willing to work at its own risk until
October. That sounds to me like it's overrunning, which,
under an incrementally funded contract, means that it's
incurring costs more quickly than planned, either because the
budgeted cost of the work performed is greater than the budgeted
cost of the work scheduled (wishful thinking) or because the
actual cost of the work performed is greater than the budgeted
cost of the work performed (more likely). If the former, then
the answer is to slow the contractor down; if the latter, then
the answer is more problematical. No matter what the cause of
the problem, it's not good to run out of money four months
early. Something must be done.
AnonX's lawyer gave him pretty good advice, but not the kind
that would make him unusually conservative or intelligent.
According to AnonX, he simply said, "[I]f we were to continue to
actively manage the program, we could still be held liable for
the contractor's expenditures, even if additional funding is not
forthcoming." Heck, that's just Contracting 101, a conclusion
that any novice could reach who'd read FAR 32.704(c) or sniffed
around in a Cibinic and Nash text.
AnonX doesn't need a lawyer or an expert in appropriations law
at this point; he needs a program manager and a
contracting officer who know what's what.
By ANONY819 on Tuesday, April
23, 2002 - 08:24 pm:
And after all the training, all the improvement efforts and all
the retreats to discuss contracting why are "program manager[s]
and a contracting officer[s] who know what's what" so scarce?
This is basic, yet seems to be an issue and mystery for
more than a few outside this forum.
I wonder what is being done with all those contractor reports
that should flag a program getting into such trouble. PMs making
paper planes to play with?
By Vern Edwards on Wednesday,
April 24, 2002 - 07:02 am:
Anon819:
I think that training is a big part of the problem. Good
training must include both classroom and OJT. Classroom training
these days is pretty sketchy and not especially well designed.
Not long ago I was visiting a civilian agency in Maryland and
some of the folks were attending the government's introductory
pricing class (CON something or other. It was a variation on the
old, three-week AFIT class.) I knew some of the students and
asked them how they liked the class. They didn't. They had spent
an entire week on learning curves. Learning curves! Here were
people who did virtually no production contracting spending
one-third of their class time on learning curves. Here we are in
an era in which service contracts account for more than 50
percent of all obligations and in which most people are buying
services and commercial items, yet students were spending a week
in an introductory class learning a technique for analyzing
production costs. I took that class in the mid-1970s and didn't
find it especially useful then, since I was buying spacecraft
one and two at a time.
Too often, OJT is training by rumor and innuendo. As conducted
in most offices it is disorganized and haphazard and conducted
by people who aren't especially knowledgeable.
My comments apply not only to contracting training, but to
program and project management training, as well. Until managers
get serious about providing their folks with good classroom and
on-the-job training, their people will continue to lack the
know-how they need.
Another problem is that too many contracting people see every
program and contract management problem as a legal problem and
go running to lawyers for advice. Consider the commonplace
advice that AnonX received. The lawyer told AnonX what not to
do; however, the problem is what to do. The solution to that
problem isn't legal in nature, it's bigger--it's managerial. The
needed know-how comes from experience and deep training, study,
and thinking.
By Anon2U on Wednesday, April
24, 2002 - 04:44 pm:
Vern,
I went to intermediate and advanced cost/price last year at Rock
Island and Wright Patterson. Yes, the majority of the time was
on learning curves and production theories. Almost no one in
class were in a job that needed this information.
By Vern Edwards on Thursday,
April 25, 2002 - 06:31 am:
Anon2U:
It really is time for someone to update those pricing courses.
People need to know how to price service contracts and contracts
for commercial items, and how to determine fairness and
reasonableness without cost or pricing data.
By Anon on Thursday, April 25,
2002 - 08:33 am:
Dadblameit, service contracts can be a bear, ask for payroll
records to get a base line hourly rate. As far as overhead
burdens, it would be nice if the rest of the gov't got on board
with what HHS does for grant recipients (advance rate agreements
subject to post audits), then the KO could do a WGL analysis to
determine fee/profit. ODCs shouldn't be much trouble if these
costs have an overall minimal impact on the target price for the
services contracted for. As for levels of effort, the program
managers have got to get a better feel for the effort involved
(for example, do I really need a full time timekeeper at 2080
hours per man year? Shouldn't that timekeeper position be a part
of G&A or labor OH?) Just some thoughts... |