By
bob antonio on Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 07:49 am:
On the "Today's News" page, the FAR Councils issued
guidelines for use by contracting officers when they make a
business judgment to determine responsibility of an offeror in
regard to "Satisfactory Record of Integrity and Business
Ethics." The FAR Councils say that this change was necessary
because contracting officers need guidance to determine what
comprises a lack of "integrity and business ethics." In regard
to the previous lack of guidance the Councils say, "This lack of
guidance has an unfortunate consequence: Contracting officers
are extremely reluctant, absent clear guidance, to exercise
their discretion in making this determination."
Are contracting officers reluctant to make a business judgment
in a responsibility determination? If so, why?
Do potential contractors feel better or worse now that there is
specific guidance?
By
joel hoffman on Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 08:06 am:
Bob, my KO's have been extremely reluctant to make
non-responsibility determinations for several reasons, based on
track records. 1) lack of enough hard documentation to strongly
support Construction Division's complaints about past
performance 2) the fact that any non-responsibility
determinations for small businesses go to the SBA, usually
resulting in SBA granting Certificates of Competency and 3) a
likely protest from large business. It usually isn't worth the
hassle - especially when we need to start work ASAP. Happy
Sails! joel
By
Nick Sanders on Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 10:35 am:
Just thought I'd mention that, from my Contractor
perspective, another worrisome aspect of this new regulation is
the change to FAR 31.205-47, now making unallowable costs
associated with administrative proceedings where a Contractor is
found to have violated a regulation.
What, exactly, is the definition of a "proceeding" and does this
change mean that costs of fighting a CAS noncompliance are now
unallowable? Does this mean that the costs of arguing a position
before the NLRB are now unallowable if the NLRB finds against
the owner on an administrative technicality?
I'm afraid that's a real possibility...
Happy holidays.
By
Eric Ottinger
on Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 03:40 pm:
Bob,
Keeping in mind that his public forum is not a good place to
disagree with higher management--
Higher management frequently assumes that the government left
hand knows what the government right hand is doing. Working
level troops know better.
Complexity increases geometrically with the number of locations
and the number of participants. At some point, the complexity
becomes unmanageable.
Much of this will require coordination with other agencies, each
with their own agenda, and none with any particular interest in
getting your requirement on contract.
Although the contracting officer makes the decision and takes
the guff, this is the type of issue where General Counsel and
higher management in the agency will have the largest voice. As
much as we love them, we aren’t looking for an opportunity to
spend more quality time with General Counsel.
Nobody is proposing to hire more 1102’s to deal with this
additional workload.
As much as we know that perfection is impossible, inconsistency
offends our basic sense of fairness.
Much depends on the implementation. And, there is much weight to
the argument that we have many scofflaw contractors who
frequently behave very badly but not quite badly enough to be
debarred.
Overall, we like things to be black and white and this will get
us into a lot of gray.
Eric
By
joel hoffman on Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 07:28 pm:
Eric, I pretty much agree with you.
It would appear that the typical KO must rely on the Offeror to
certify that they aren't scouflaws or to self-incriminate
themselves, unless there is word of mouth or common knowledge of
some highly publicized, egregious act by the offeror... HA Ha.
This new rule might occasionally catch a notorious scoundrel.
Happy Sails!
By
joel hoffman on Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 07:32 am:
After reading about the controversy in last night's paper, I
thought about this a bit more. It would seem that there needs to
be a central clearinghouse for a KO to check the status of any
apparent successful bidder/offeror. 30,000 Contracting Officers
shouldn't have to reinvent the wheel every time there is a
responsibility determination. I suggest the office that manages
the debarment listings be utilized and expanded, if necessary.
Also, let's see how "non-responsible" an apparent successful
offeror is, when there is a wide gap in bids/best value, only
source or other critical criteria? How long can the standard of
consistency last? Can there be any consistency across the
Government. We respondents can't even agree, much of the time!
By
Eric Ottinger
on Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 09:13 am:
Joel and All,
I saw Dave Drabkin speak at an NCMA meeting a couple months
back. He was asked about the "balcklisting" rule. Dave prudently
declined to discuss this issue. It is very, very sensitive.
Yes, it implies that somebody is going to keep a comprehensive
list of who has been naughty and nice. That raises all kinds of
issues.
One of the admirable things about the 1102 community is that we
are good troops and we take orders. We will implement the
direction that we are given to the best of our ability.
On the other hand, various agencies (I won't name them) have a
habit of going their own way and doing their own thing. It will
be very hard to get consistency.
The wise heads say that the big contractors are all about the
same. They have all done something "Oh my gosh, I don't believe
they did that" on occasion, but we can't really debar any of
them. We need them too much. (This is a problem with Past
Performance as well. With the big guys it all works out to about
the same mixed bag.)
All I can say is that it will be interesting.
Eric
By
Anonymous
on Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 10:18 am:
Eric, Regarding the "big contractors", I would not say it's
true in every case that "we can't do without them."
I found in a certain nameless program that "the firms can't do
without the Government." It seems that some of them will do
anything and everything to influence selections, to obtain
special treatment, bully the program managers and Contracting
Officers not to clamp down on poor performance, go to the
Pentagon and above to put a "spin" on a situation, etc.
I know of a couple of other firms which could execute these
contracts better than the incumbents. The other firms certainly
have better business ehtics than the thugs in the particular
program.
I believe there is a pre-determined mentality that only certain
supercontractors can handle certain programs. Actually, we just
package the work into super-contracts for convenience or to
assure them business.
Unfortunately, I must officially remain anonymous.
By
Kennedy How on
Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 10:58 am:
I agree with Joel's first post, because absent something
concrete that a CO can hang his decision on, the affected
contractor will always cry "Arbitrary and Capricious", or, that
hasn't been proven yet. I'm more of the mind that you need to be
proven guilty first, before tarring a contractor.
My personal experience in this area pretty much mirrors that.
And, I often wonder, when a source-selection activity calls me
and asks about a contractor of mine, and the fact of the matter
is that he's being investigated for fraud, but after the
source-selection is done, the contractor has been found
innocent, how much that actual investigation information played
a part in the final decision of the source-selection authority.
Kennedy
By
Eric Ottinger
on Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 12:10 pm:
Anon,
Thanks for participating. Kudos to Bob for the Anonymous option.
It will liven up the discussion.
All generalizations are false, including mine. I was thinking of
the really major defense contractors. If I wish to acquire a
certain weapons system in a reasonable time frame, there is only
one way to go.
Managers are always going to want continuity and they are always
going to prefer to have a single "button" to push. It is our job
to oppose these tendencies, but not to the point where we
actually do harm to our customers.
Kennedy,
I think we are expected to consider actual convictions. We
should consider all of our contractors to be innocent until
proven guilty.
Of course, all of the guilty are going to tell you that they are
now reformed, and the offense was really very technical, and
they love the environment (or whatever) just as much as anybody,
and everbody does it, and they don't know why they were singled
out, and you don't want to throw all of those good loyal workers
out of work, etc. etc.
Generally, I consider it a mark of professionalism that I will
be courteous and fair to everyone, even when I know that some
are boy scouts and others are sleazeballs (and a few are lovable
rogues). Normally, my private thoughts shouldn't affect my
public behavior.
Suffice that this will make life more complicated.
Eric
By
Anon2 on Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 12:18 pm:
Anonymous, among the big defense contractors of a decade or
so ago one was often mentioned as a hoped for bidder. The reason
was competence combined with a strong reputation for honesty.
That was not the case with almost all the others. Some were
almost always mentioned in terms of problems. During the
consolidation of defense contractors it sometimes seemed the
greater problems grew at the expense of the lessre problems. The
one mentioned was is long gone. Went in about the second round
of consolidation.
By
djdyer on
Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 10:27 am:
After reading FAC 97-21, (clarifying what a satisfactory
record of integrity and business ethics is) I thought: How can a
contracting officer make an affirmative determination as to
whether a contractor has ever been convicted of a felony?
Am I required to do some sort of criminal background
investigation to make an "affirmative determination"?
If I am, how? Any suggestions?
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