By
Vern Edwards
on Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 02:29 pm:
Does anyone know of a published report of empirical
research that claims to have proven the effectiveness of
contractual incentives? I'm talking about the predetermined,
formula-type incentives described in FAR 16.402, or award-fee
incentives.
I am not interested in "success stories" or anecdotal reports
about individual procurements, but research based on the
analysis of a statistically valid sample of the outcomes of
procurements.
I am already aware of the Harvard, Rand, and LMI studies of the
1960s and 1970s. I am also aware of the GAO study of FPI
contracts of the early 1980s.
I am looking for reports published during the latter part of the
1980s or during the 1990s.
By
Larry Edwards
on Saturday, September 30, 2000 - 03:44 pm:
What were the conclusions of the GAO study on FPI?
By
Vern Edwards
on Saturday, September 30, 2000 - 07:47 pm:
Larry:
At request of Congress, GAO reviewed fixed-price incentive
contracts to determine (1) whether they saved the government
money and (2) whether they worked as they theoretically should.
They told Congress, "The first of these questions cannot be
definitively answered without doing comparative tests. Such
tests would involve paired procurements of identical items, at
the same time, under identical conditions using a FPI contract
and a separate firm fixed-price contract."
In an attempt to answer the second question they tried to
determine if there was any statistical correlation between the
cost-sharing ratio and achievement of a contract's target price.
If incentives work as they should there should be a correlation
between the size of the contractor's share and the cost outcome.
But GAO reported that it could not find any apparent
relationship between them. They concluded that, "These findings
do not support that part of incentive theory which holds that as
the contractor's share ratio increases the contractor has a
greater incentive to meet or underrun target costs."
See: Incentive Contracts: Examination of Fixed-Price
Incentive Contracts, GAO/NSIAD-88-36BR, November 1987.
Irving Fisher of Rand Corporation made the same findings in the
mid-1960s. He concluded as follows:
"These results are not consistent with the hypothesis that
stronger incentives lead to greater efficiency and lower costs.
Larger observed underruns seem to be generally unrelated to the
profit incentive features of fixed-price contracts. The evidence
indicates that these observed underruns originate, instead, from
target costs that exceed the contractor's anticipated actual
cost."
In other words, the contractors negotiated high cost targets and
then underran them. See: A Reappraisal of Incentive
Contracting Experience, Rand Corporation Memorandum
RF-5700-PR, June 1968.
By
bob antonio on
Sunday, October 01, 2000 - 08:12 am:
I don't know if FPIF contracts can be evaluated simply. I do
not consider any study that simply looks at cost-sharing by
itself as being valid.
Here is one example that I posted somewhere and one person
commented.
The target cost is $76 million; Target price is $9.7 milion; and
ceiling price is $101 million.
Within 15 percent of the target cost, the share ratio is 95/5;
outside of the 15 percent zone, the share ratio is 90/10. As can
be seen, the ceiling price is 132.8 percent of target cost.
Bear with me on this. I will add more information if this
receives responses. Does anyone have any opinions about this
FPIF and what it means?
By
Vern Edwards
on Sunday, October 01, 2000 - 11:14 am:
Bob:
I'm not following you on this. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to
see in the data you've posted.
(By the way, you said that the "target price" is $9.7M. Did you
mean target profit?)
The Rand, GAO (and other) sharing studies sought to determine
whether the FPI contracts functioned as predicted by incentive
theory. In what way do you think that those studies fell short?
As the GAO said, the only way to determine whether or not the
FPI incentive actually saves money would be to conduct
controlled experiments. But that would be awfully costly, don't
you think?
What kind of study would you construct?
By
bob antonio on
Sunday, October 01, 2000 - 12:24 pm:
Vern:
Yes, target price should be target profit. I think I made that
same error once before.
If a study looks at cost share only, then it makes a great deal
of assumptions. Those assumptions can be quite significant and
in my opinion make such a study invalid. For example, the study
would assume that the target costs for tested contracts were all
negotiated with equal skill. By looking at share ratios only, we
also ignore the distance betwen target cost and ceiling price.
That affects possible profit at various levels of overrun.
Another item is the historical profit rate for the company.
Perhaps a target profit is set too high during negotiations.
If I did a study of FPIF, I would start with the intent of
creating several test groups. This requires an initial review of
the negotiation memo and the structure of the FPIF before
looking at the results. The groups--and these are my initial
thoughts--are weak FPIF structure (90/10 SR, 130% CP above TC;
tight FPIF structure 60/40 SR. 120% CP above TC; high quality
negotiations; and poor quality negotiations. If I had about 100
FPIF contracts to work with, I might have different groups.
However, I think this provides an idea of my concerns.
I am not trying to say that FPIF contracts are effective, I am
trying to eliminate or reduce assumptions. If a study provides
the results of weak FPIF structures, tight FPIF strucutres; good
negotiations, weak negotiations, etc., I would be more
interested.
One could say that if enough FPIF contracts were evaluated,
chances are that we would get a good mixture of the groups I
noted and the assumptions would be balanced out. I think that is
being hopeful.
I do not remember reading the Rand or GAO report. So I do not
know how either dealt with assumptions.
Using my example, what would one expect if a contractor is
looking for a profit rate of 3 percent? This was an actual
contract negotiated with a very lean budget and with a
contractor that was totally dependent on the government for
work. Suppose both the contractor and the government consider 3
percent to be an adequate profit?
By
Vern Edwards
on Sunday, October 01, 2000 - 12:58 pm:
Bob:
I don't think either the Rand or GAO studies dealt with those
assumptions at all. It may be that the researchers thought that
by looking at a sufficiently large sample of contracts they
could even-out the effects of the factors that you mentioned.
GAO looked at 573 FPI contracts.
Your study would be much more comprehensive, but it would cost a
lot. I doubt that you'd get anyone to pay for it.
In any event, several serious scholars have concluded that
contractual incentives that focus on short-term (i.e.,
contract-specific) profits miss the boat. They think that
contractors focus more on long-term profits, and that
contractual incentives are overwhelmed by competing incentives
related to long-term outcomes.
I doubt that we'll ever get a definitive empirical study. Some
people will continue to believe in predetermined, formula-type
incentives (FPI(F), FPI)S), and CPIF), some willl not, and many
won't care one way or the other.
Still, if anyone knows of any recent empirical studies
that support claims of incentive effectiveness, I would like to
know about them.
By
bob antonio on
Sunday, October 01, 2000 - 01:47 pm:
Vern:
I would tend to agree with the serious scholars.
Another study I would like to do is to look at incentive
contracts over a period of decades. I always thought that their
structures will vary according to budget availability. I think
that in lean budget years for an agency, the FPIF structure may
flatten out and take on the structure of a CPFF with a ceiling.
Once you get an item half-built, it is more difficult to kill
and overruns are endured more easily.
That is what was alleged to be the case in the example that I
provided. There were allegations that both the government and
contractor were negotiating at around 120 or 125 percent of
target cost. These things can be abused and still carry the
title of fixed-price contracts. Whenever I run into one, I enjoy
analyzing it.
The only other studies I can remember are those DOE did on their
performance contracts. They did use forumla incentives on some
of them while on others it was a performance fee. However, I
believe you are aware of them.
By
Ramon Jackson on Sunday, October 01, 2000 - 04:09 pm:
I have some doubt GAO's "paired procurements of identical
items" is required to obtain significant information. It would
be nice, just as the identical armadillo quads are nice for some
medical testing, but science often must deal with nature where
such set piece testing is impossible. Instead the information
must be painstakingly extracted from statistically significant
numbers of subjects.
Is there enough data recorded about contracts and is it
preserved to enable such studies to take place in the
"contractual wild" rather than in paired procurements? Probably
not. It might be worth making an effort though considering how
much is spent based on hunch and legend.
I'm unwilling to reject the possibility of incentives being
useful. I'm also unwilling to just accept them as effective.
What is objectionable is the lack of empirical evidence. I can
see where incentives could encourage added effort to do
something. I also suspect the prospect of long term
relationships might be effective as would many alternative
strategies. Sound, effective past performance use would seem to
be possibly as effective in this respect as individual contract
profit incentives.
It is frustrating that we probably don't spend a fraction of the
dollars poured into such schemes to gather, preserve and study
the information required to provide empirical evidence of their
effectiveness.
By
bob antonio on
Monday, October 02, 2000 - 08:11 am:
Vern and Ramon:
The cost for the study I noted is not prohibitive. Actually, it
would be less expensive than some done in the past.
Additionally, there are some add-ons that should be tested in
the early stages of design.
The design of the study is relatively easy. I already have the
work designed in my head. If such a study was supported by the
Department of Defense, the results should be available during
the Summer of 2001.
By
Vern Edwards
on Monday, October 02, 2000 - 08:17 am:
Bob:
So--are you going to pursue it?
By
John Ford on
Monday, October 02, 2000 - 11:17 am:
This is an interesting discussion. Bob, in your research
design, I would hope you would include the impact TINA has on a
contractor's abilility to cut proposed costs significantly so as
to make an incentive contract a true incentive. One would think
that if a contractor has disclosed current, complete and
accurate cost or pricing data prior to award, that the
opportunity for cost control may be somewhat constrained.
By
Vern Edwards
on Monday, October 02, 2000 - 12:01 pm:
Bob and John:
This is only tangentially related to what we've been talking
about, but if you want to read an interesting discussion about
incentives, go to www.findlaw.com and look up the following U.S.
Supreme Court decision: United States v. Bethlehem Steel
Corporation, 315 U.S. 289 (1942).
The case is about 17 cost-plus-incentive-fee contracts for
shipbuilding that were awarded by the Navy during WWI (!). The
contracts included a 50-50 share provision and the contractor
ended up making an average of 22 percent profit. The Government
thought that was too much and tried to get out of paying it,
making several arguments, the most interesting of which was that
it negotiated the contracts under duress.
The case took 22 years to get to the Supreme Court. The Court
found in favor of the contractor. Justice Hugo Black wrote the
majority opinion, but don't miss the dissenting opinion by
Justice Felix Frankfurter. William O. Douglas's separate
opinion, in which he joined the majority, is also interesting
from a technical point of view. It discusses the distinction
between contracts entire and severable.
This is a pure contract law decision and easy to read, with no
esoteric constitutional issues, but with moral and patriotic
overtones. (When you read it, think about the fact that it was
written slightly more than two months after Pearl Harbor.)
The facts in the case foreshadow some of the Congressional
concerns about the use of incentive contracts that resulted in
the passage of the Truth in Negotiations Act of 1962.
We could have a heck of a debate at this site about who was
right in that case, Black or Frankfurter.
By
bob antonio on
Monday, October 02, 2000 - 12:17 pm:
Vern:
Unfortunately, I have a full-time job. However, I believe it is
doable--complex but doable. I see two initial problems with the
analysis. They are both significant but that is where DoD needs
to be involved.
First is access to information and that would include several DD
350 runs; access to contract files, and access to contracting
staff.
Second is having the right qualified people working on the
study. I think experienced procurement analysts from DoD would
be fine. They would have to evaluate the quality of at least two
negotiations--the one where the FPIF structure is set and the
negotiation of final cost. They also would have to think as much
alike as possible. Any modest changes that required pricing
during the contract probably could be ignored. However, large
ones would need to be reviewed. As you can imagine, this is the
most time-consuming and complex part of the work.
John:
Yes, that would fall under the quality of negotiations.
By
Vern Edwards
on Monday, October 02, 2000 - 02:26 pm:
Bob and John:
What do you think about the quality of the negotiations in the
U.S. v. Bethlehem Steel Corp case?
Bob:
You're about to get some help on your job. I just read in the
September 19 Federal Contracts Report that the number of
protests to the GAO has dropped so low that they're going to
reassign some of the lawyers from the bid protest to the audit
side of the house.
By
Fred Weatherill
on Monday, October 02, 2000 - 04:28 pm:
Vern,
You might want to read "On contracting for uncertain R&D" by
Rajeev K Goel, in Managerial and Decision Economics, Vol 20,
issue 2, 1999. The author is with the economics dept at Ill.
State U. email
rkgoel@ilstu.edu. You can access the abstract at
www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract. It is a lead that
may lead some where. Good luck.
By
bob antonio on
Tuesday, October 03, 2000 - 08:59 am:
Vern:
I quickly read the case you noted. Years ago, I was evaluating a
"cost realism" analysis at a major agency. One of the agency
evaluators provided the offeror's basis for its learning curve.
The agency evaluator pointed out that the contractor's cost
proposal was based on the premise that "the more we learn, the
dumber we get." I think that may be an exact quote because it
was hard to forget.
It appears that the shipbuilding cost estimate had some of those
features. I quit reading it after I saw the following. The cost
was based on the building of one hull. Under the contract, at
least 19 hulls would be built. Next is the telling quote from
the case.
"The next item was the cost of labor, which on hull 253 amounted
to 38.75 cents per hour. Brown assumed that wage scales would
rise to 50 cents per hour, an increase of 29%, and that
efficiency would decrease about 30%."
So they estimated that they will have negative learning as they
build more hulls. I like the technical evaluator's comment from
my past--the more we learn, the dumber we get.
I think W. C. Field's could provide a simple analysis of this
contract. "Never give a sucker an even break."
By
Vern Edwards
on Tuesday, October 03, 2000 - 09:13 am:
Fred:
I found the article. If you haven't read it, I'll let you know
if it says anything interesting.
Vern
By
Vern Edwards
on Tuesday, October 03, 2000 - 09:27 am:
Bob:
I'm not sure it was a learning curve issue. Keep in mind that in
1917 we had just entered the war and the demand for manpower and
materials was going to create shortages, driving prices up. I
think that was the main reason that Bethlehem didn't want to
accept a lump sum price and made such pessimistic estimates of
cost. They were afraid of what would happen to them under a
fixed-price contract in a time of rapidly rising prices.
The Navy's mistake was in the deal it negotiated for fee.
Indeed, what struck me was how little negotiating the admiral
and his colleague did. Did you get to the transcript of the
Bethlehem negotiator's recounting of one of the bargaining
sessions? A smarter pair of negotiators would have covered the
contractor's costs and then kept the fees at rock bottom levels,
pointing out that it would not look good if Bethlehem made a lot
of profit on war work.
By
bob antonio on
Tuesday, October 03, 2000 - 09:54 am:
Vern:
I agree. Today, I think we would take the labor and material
part of the costs and provide an economic price adjustment. It
appears that was included in the cost.
I looked at the first part of Frankfurter's dissenting opinion
and saw some of the negotiation discussion. Not much on the
government's part but some whining. I did not get to the quotes
and will try to do that at lunch. I stopped just above the
quotes with the quote I posted. I think the learning curve issue
may be a factor. It looked like the basis for cost was one
hull--253. If that hull was built by itself and they would have
19 to build under the contracts, I think they could have
achieved some efficiencies. However, they proposed
inefficiencies. Of course, I read this quickly and may have
misread something.
By
Linda Koone
on Tuesday, October 03, 2000 - 10:29 am:
Vern:
I enjoyed reading the decision.
I agree that the government negotiators, from what can be
surmised from the record, weren't effective. We'd be in a fine
mess if every government negotiator bent to the initial demands
of a sole source contractor.
I have to side with the majority opinion in this case; however,
imagine the precedent that would have been established if the
Court would have ruled for in favor of the government. What a
ruling to fall back on in cases of shoddy negotiating!
What I really find surprising is that either side pursued this
as long as and to the level that they did. I would be
embarrassed to have this story told, whether I was affiliated
with the government or with Bethlehem Steel.
By
bob antonio on
Tuesday, October 03, 2000 - 12:15 pm:
All:
This case is a must read. Here are some quotes.
"Although there are many cases in which an individual has
claimed to be a victim of duress in dealings with the government
. . . . This, so far as we know, is the first instance in which
government has claimed to be a victim of duress in dealings with
an individual." --Justice Black.
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"That was a very rough figure. Whatever else I put on I put on
because I knew I was going to have to trade the final contract
out with [government negotiator] and I knew I would not get what
I asked for, and if I did not ask for more than I expected I
would not get out where I wanted to be." --Contractor
representative.
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"Q Now I am asking you whether with respect to those vessels
[government negotiator] submitted any price of his own?
A. No, Sir.
Q. Did he ask you how your estimates were made up?
A. No, sir.
Q. Did he ask you to justify your estimate in any way?
A. No, sir.
Q. He just objected to them repeatedly and said they were too
high?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. But did not ask you to justify them?
A. No, sir."
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"The district court concurred in the proposition that the
absence of fraud made the contracts invulnerable. Buts its
conclusion is contradicted by its findings: 'The managers for
the contractor adopted the famous Rob Roy distinction who
admitted he was a robber but proudly proclaimed that he was no
thief. The contractor boldly and openly fixed the figures in the
estimated cost so high as to give them the promise of large
bonus profits. The managers for the [government] knew that the
estimate was high and why it was made high and so protested it.
The reply of the contractor's manager was. We will take the
contract with this promise of bonus profits incorporated in it
but not otherwise. You take it or leave it. Whatever wrong there
was in this may have been the wrong in a daylight robbery but
there was no element of deception in it." --Justice Frankfurter
quoting the District Court
The cost contract was proposed with contingencies in the cost
estimate. Oh well.
Here is the case
U.S. V. BETHLEHEM STEEL CORP
By
bob antonio on
Tuesday, October 03, 2000 - 12:24 pm:
As Vern noted, the case was argued on December 9, 1941 and
decided on February 16, 1942.
By
Kennedy How on
Tuesday, October 03, 2000 - 12:27 pm:
I read the case, and I found it to be an enjoyable read,
mainly because it was on a topic that I understand (though I
will say I do like reading Supreme Court decisions!).
I thought that the Government's support staff was poor, and
while the dissenting opinion pointed out that the "contracting
officer" had no shipbuilding experience, that doesn't
necessarily mean the Government cannot strike a good bargain, as
we've touched upon in other discussions regarding source
selections and negotiations. The last time I did a major systems
negotiation, I never pretended to know more than my staff; I had
a working knowledge sufficient to understand what they said, but
when it came down to negotiations, I let them do their jobs. If
their performance was poor, or non-existent, then it'd be shame
on me. The fact that a resulting contract is a bad bargain for
the Government is no reason to void a contract; we weren't
prepared or able, we should suffer the consequences for it.
It's always been difficult to negotiate from a position of
weakness, something that's basic in the Government's position in
nearly everything we do (at least from my perspective). That's
cynical, I know, but I learned early on that if the Government
had a need, that need would almost always be there, and the
contractor would be in a good position, especially if he was a
sole-source. And, on top of that, if the contractor ever figured
out that there was a much cheaper way of doing it, we'd want all
of the savings, rather than splitting the cost savings with him.
By
Ramon Jackson on Tuesday, October 03, 2000 - 02:35 pm:
Kennedy, why "negotiate from a position of weakness,
something that's basic in the Government's position in nearly
everything we do" when it has so much power and special contract
position as demonstrated by termination for convenience?
Could this have anything to do with so often not being well
prepared? With not spending the time using its own information
resources? Not paying the price to have at its table real
experts?
By
Kennedy How on
Wednesday, October 04, 2000 - 01:01 pm:
Ramon, when I say "position of weakness", I say that because
the Government hardly ever walks away from a deal and refuse to
procure an item, because it has a bona-fide need for said item.
Given that, we're obliged to fulfill that need, even though the
smart thing to do is to "walk away". That is what private
industry will do, in my opinion, and try to find another way to
fill that need. Or, they might come up with a unique way of
completing the deal, ways that can't be accomplished due to
Government regulations.
I can have the most prepared and best people on my side to
solidly present our position, but if the other side isn't
willing to be reasonable, we aren't going anywhere. On the flip
side, my management is asking me why said item isn't on Contract
yet.
I had a small deal once, for an FMS customer. It was for an item
that is used on an obsolete vehicle. I was able to find only one
business who had it, and the price was relatively outrageous.
Nobody within the Government was willing to sign off on the
deal, but yet the FMS customer OK'd the price. I couldn't cancel
the requirement because the FMS customer had a bona-fide need. I
basically sat there for 2 weeks until I decided to provide the
FMS customer the name of the business in question so they can
contract directly. And, even then, I had to report weekly why
the contract action hadn't been completed until the requirement
was cancelled internally.
I'll be the first to admit I'm somewhat anal in my preparations
for contract actions; I hate making mistakes. That's my nature,
and in my career, I've learned to be really prepared and have my
bases covered so that I can get things done the first time
around.
By
Ramon Jackson on Wednesday, October 04, 2000 - 07:02 pm:
Kennedy, that is a good point. Government tends to overvalue
its requirements. Many are actually vital and urgent, but many
more, objectively viewed, are not. There is a lot of pretense
here.
The lack of preparation I was thinking of deals with the fact
that as a huge enterprise the government has little in the way
of an enterprise wide information system in the field. Each
agency often works in its own little cubicle. Even when
interested in gathering the necessary intelligence to be in a
strong position the teams will find information gathering
difficult. There is neither need for this or reason -- just
inertia.
By
Fred Weatherill
on Thursday, October 26, 2000 - 01:06 pm:
Vern,
You may want to read Federal Register: October 24, 2000 (Volume
65, Number 206) Page 63628. It is a call by OFPP for information
on the use of incentives as a part of an OFPP effort to
"fundamentally examine the manner by which the Government
develops and applies incentives to its contractual vehicles..."
It may be another lead.
By
bob antonio on
Thursday, October 26, 2000 - 01:26 pm:
Fred:
The article is on the "Today's News" and "Today's Grants"
section from earlier in the week. The daily information is
posted every work day.
I added a thread here about it.
By
Fred Weatherill
on Thursday, October 26, 2000 - 02:51 pm:
Bob,
Thank you. I am still learning to check Wifcon first!
By
Anonymous
on Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 07:37 pm:
Apparently OFPP is busy looking for new incentives. See
Procurement office seeks input on contract incentives in the
on-line GovExec.
By
JSA on Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 08:31 pm:
Anonymous:
The item was posted to this site on October 24, 2000. It is
noted in the post below.
See the "Contracts--General Discussion" thread subject "OFPP
Request for Information on Contract Incentives."
It also was posted to the "Today's News" page last week. See the
"Last week" section of the "Today's News" page.
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