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By bob antonio on Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 04:02 pm:

There are some decisions that contain some key phrases. In this case, it is clear the Court of Federal Claims judge is less than pleased with the government's presentation of its case.

"The court hesitantly adds a coda. The court is somewhat dismayed by the briefs filed by defendant in support of its motion to dismiss. based on long-standing traditions, the judges of this court rightfully expect Justice Department lawyers to exercise diligence in advancing arguments and citing cases for various legal propositions. Those expectations are threatened when a motion to dismiss is seemingly viewed as an opportunity to throw half-baked arguments against the wall in hopes that something will stick. At the least, such conduct conflicts with the ideals captured in the inscription on the rotunda of the Attorney General's office, which states "[t]he United States wins its point whenever justice is done its citizens in the courts." Continuation of this conduct also risks the imposition of sanctions. See RCFC 11; 28 U.S.C. § 2412. The court strongly suggests that defendant’s attorneys demonstrate considerably more circumspection in the future."

See "TRANSFAIR INTERNATIONAL INC., v. THE UNITED STATES" at the link below. The case is an interesting case in its own right.

http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/2002.htm


By Robin on Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 07:13 pm:

Holy Cow Batman...that's as serious a tongue lashing as I have ever read!!!! Wish I could be a fly on the wall when the boss has his dicussion with this person.


By Vern Edwards on Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 08:57 pm:

I might be able to top Bob's quote. Here's one from SMS Data Products Group, Inc., a 1986 protest decision of the GSBCA, 87-1 BCA ¶ 19,486. The respondent (agency) was the EPA; Federal Data was the winning contractor, acting as intervenor:

"As we have earlier noted, Federal Acquisition Regulation 15.609(c) requires that vendors be notified 'at the earliest practicable time' after it is determined that their proposals are no longer in the competitive range. In reply to any assertion that the contracting officer should have ejected SMS from the competitive range in early February 1986, after he had received the reports from the mandatory requirements and greatest value panels on SMS's revised technical proposal of January 6, 1986, Federal Data and the respondent regurgitate the same swill that we were offered by the contracting officer. We find this offering no more palatable on the second serving than it was on the first."


By Kennedy How on Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 11:37 am:

A long time ago, I sat in briefly on an oral argument in front of the Wash St Supreme Court. I timed it right to get in on the start of the proceedings.

About 2-3minutes into the Plaintiff's presentation, the justices interrupted the attorney, and began to take up most of his time trying to figure out where the relevance of his arguments were. Basically, the justices torpedo's the Plaintiff's case 2 minutes into the proceedings.

I remember the attorney being totally baffled, and I don't believe he ever got their arguments back on track. I also remember that the Plaintiffs was a city, and recall thinking that unless the Defendants were even less prepared, the City would lose.

I didn't stay for the whole thing, and I never got the court's opinion.

So, while reading a serious tongue-lashing in an opinion is impressive, it's even more impressive when the tongue-lashing is in person by the justices....

Kennedy


By bob antonio on Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 12:20 pm:

Kennedy:

A similar situation existed with the final trip to the U. S. Supreme Court by Adarand in October 2001. Although the attorney for Adarand was speaking before a Court that appeared friendly to his cause, he was interrupted after his 74th word. From that word forward, he was on the defensive. The justices that initially worked him over appeared to be the same that sided with him in 1995. He never was given an opportunity to make a coherent presentation. It must have been an awful feeling for the fellow. He had waited 6 years to make his case and the justices did not give him a minute to make his presentation.


By Anonymous on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 01:57 am:

Tongue lashings are fine. They are nice vents. They do nothing whatsoever to cull the incompetent and disingenuous from the ranks. They will be back time and time again with the same swill. They will play the "How many times can a Federal Court hold an official in contempt" game. Their supervisors will probably give them a little purple heart of some sort.

Tongue lashing needs to be followed by something that actually does stick to a wall, perhaps a cell wall. At least it should result in a demotion, exile to the worst post available or walking papers. I say this not just to be mean. The cost to the system of this garbage is not trivial. When an agency screws up and fights rather than correcting a mistake it costs us dearly in dollars, lost time and confidence. Consequences of foolish, obtuse attempts to be right at all costs are not sufficient to promote "natural selection" in the bureaucracy.


By Kennedy How on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 12:02 pm:

We don't really know what the full story is behind what the Justice Dept was thinking when they submitted their briefs. It's been my experience that they are selective as to what they choose to pursue, and even if you have an airtight case, if it isn't something worthwhile, they may not take it.

Sure it wasn't their finest hour, but I'm not 100% sure it was a total waste of effort. Especially if the agency is using those same arguments to further their case, and now you have a judge refuting them. This case may end up getting settled after this point.

We had a DCAA DP case once, DCAA alleged fraud. The Justice Dept tried to get a Grand Jury indictment on the facts of the case, but the Grand Jury declined. DCAA still harasses us as to why we haven't clobbered the contractor over this; apparently, they don't understand that you don't have a case when the Grand Jury declines to indict.

This is not to say that if you have sloppy research by unqualified folks, that is excuseable. But, I'm trying to give those folks the benefit of the doubt, and if that's the best that they can do, the case seems to be a sure loser. And, in those cases, the JD will tell you it's not worth their while to pursue it.

Kennedy


By Vern Edwards on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 12:15 pm:

Kennedy:

I hope you never have the experience of having the Justice Dept. hound you for two or three years, or even longer, because they don't understand what you did and think that you have therefore done something wrong. I've seen that happen now in a couple of cases and it has had a profound effect on my thinking about the Justice Dept's competence in federal contracting cases.


By anon on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 05:09 pm:

You can't count on the JDs to put the brakes on a bad case. I once worked on a claim for costs on a cost-reimbursement contract. Short version: CO refused to pay costs that were allowable under Part 31. His legal advisor backed him up by citing some lines from a fixed-price case about sovereign acts.

You might be able to excuse the legal advisor for being inexperienced, but as the case went on to the board and higher, a lot of people with a lot of knowledge and experience came up with more arguments for not paying the contractor. Why? Because they didn't want to pay the contractor. After much litigation and money, the government still lost. What a waste.


By AnonYmus on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 05:45 pm:

Just want to add the thought that under 31.205-47, the costs of prosecuting a claim against the US are 100% unallowable. When defending, even if a contractor wins, the legal expenses are only 80% allowable.

I've seen contractors run-up millions in legal bills and, generally, it comes out of the bottom-line. How many times can this happen before the contractor is contemplating Chapter 11?

Just a thought.


By Ned Kelly on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 06:16 pm:

This message raises concerns in addition to those raised by Vern Edwards in his comment about the Department of Justice's competence in Federal contracting cases.

Vern,

Justice Department attorneys in general and Assistant United States Attorneys for the various districts in particular have a shallow understanding of Federal fiscal and procurement laws. However, I am much more concerned about agency attorneys who should be ensuring compliance with fiscal and procurement laws but instead think their role is to enable agency clients, military officers in particular, to do whatever they desire unfettered by fiscal and procurement laws.

I recognize that the practice of law is not an academic exercise. Agency attorneys, like their counterparts in private practice, have agency officials as clients who want assistance in achieving their objectives and want their positions zealously defended in litigation.
In my opinion, however, the reason that “garbage” is routinely filed before courts and boards is twofold. First, agency attorneys are rewarded for assisting clients in achieving client objectives in an expedited manner, and many agency attorneys have built their careers on a “can do” attitude that equates to nothing more than advancing disingenuous interpretations of Federal statutes and regulations, which thwart Congressional intent, defy common sense, and lack any semblance of integrity. These are the same sort of attorneys that advance disingenuous position in filing before courts and boards, they think their role is to defend their client’s positions even if they know (or should know) those positions are legally or morally wrong.

Second, garbage is routinely filed before courts and boards because agency attorneys are allowed to get away with it. Unlike their counterparts in the business sector, agency attorneys are not held personally accountable for disingenuous legal opinions, misleading (or false) statements of fact, and a lack of responsiveness. GAO’s Bid Protest forum is the worst offender in terms of a systematic failure to hold agency employees, including attorneys, accountable for their filings. Have you ever wondered why GAO’s protest sustainment percentage is so low?

The GAO Bid Protest regulations indicate that there is a prohibition against ex parte communications in the protest process. How many of you know that anytime a GAO attorney needs “additional information” to dismiss or deny protest allegations the standard practice is for the GAO attorney to telephone the agency attorney and discuss issues “off-the-record”, without permitting protester participation in the conversation?

Unfortunately, what happens is the GAO attorney explains to the agency attorney exactly what “additional information” is needed to dismiss or deny the protest allegations, and agency attorney will file a Supplement to the Agency Report doing his or her best to give the GAO attorney the additional information required to win. No attorney likes to lose. The agency attorney knows that the GAO attorney would not have telephoned for additional information if the protest allegations could be dismissed or denied outright, so the agency attorney recognizes that there is a chance that he or she might lose the protest depending on his or her ability to provide the additional information required to win.

In such situations, an agency attorney must decide how “zealously” he or she is willing to defend the agency’s actions. Does the agency attorney draw the line at filing a Supplement that is somewhat misleading (depending on how one interprets it), outright misleading, or patently false? I strongly suggest that those of you in the business sector should remember to raise an eyebrow anytime a Supplement to an agency report is filed under the signature of a different agency attorney than the one who filed the initial report (wink, wink). In my opinion, GAO’s standard practice of ex parte communications with agency attorneys to request additional information should cease, because such communications always work to the detriment of the protester and often result in agency attorneys taking inappropriate action.

Isn’t it ironic: “GAO will not permit protest allegations to be presented in a piecemeal manner”, but agency attorneys are given an incentive to defend agency actions in a piecemeal manner. Agency attorneys say as little as possible in the Agency Report, because they do not want to provide any new information that may result in a protester raising a new protest allegations, and agency attorneys know that GAO will give them an off-the-record telephone call if additional information is needed to dismiss or deny the protester’s allegations. More importantly, the telephone call from the GAO attorney always comes after the ten-calendar day period for filing Comments on the Agency Report has passed, so the protester is prevented from effectively raising new protest allegations based on the additional information received after Comments were due, because of the prohibition against the piecemeal presentation of protest allegations.

Since I am rambling, here are three more examples of the GAO Bid Protest forum’s failure to hold agencies (not to mention agency attorneys) accountable for their filings. First, GAO attorneys frequently dismiss protest allegations for being untimely, but GAO refuses to hold agencies to any timeliness standards. It is not uncommon for Agency Reports to be filed late, and agency attorneys know that GAO never penalizes any agency for a late filing. This is peculiar because 31 USC 3553(b)(2) states:

Except as provided in paragraph (3) of this subsection, a Federal agency receiving a notice of a protested procurement ... shall submit to the Comptroller General a complete report (including all relevant documents) on the protested procurement -

(A) within 30 days after the date of the agency's receipt of that notice;

(B) if the Comptroller General, upon a showing by the Federal agency, determines (and states the reasons in writing) that the specific circumstances of the protest require a longer period, within the longer period determined by the Comptroller General;

In violation of the plain language of the law, GAO accepts late Agency Reports without requiring any showing by the Federal agency of the specific circumstances of the protest that necessitated a period of longer than 30 calendar days to file the Agency Report and without GAO making a written determination in this regard. GAO has no authority to waive this statutory requirement. GAO should sustain protests where agency reports are not filed in a timely manner under the theory that the agency elected not to defend itself against the protest allegations.

Another example of a GAO’s refusal to require agency accountability is its acceptance of Statements of Facts contained in agency reports that are not signed by a Contracting Officer, even though GAO Bid Protest Regulation 21.3 (d) states: “The report shall include the contracting officer's statement of the relevant facts….” My experience has been that when a contracting officer with cognizance over a procurement subject to a protest is unwilling to sign his or her signature to the Statement of Facts in the Agency Report prepared by an agency attorney, it is because the contracting officer is not comfortable with the agency attorney’s “zealous” presentation of the facts.

I am familiar with a recent consolidated protest before GAO in which the protester argued in writing that the agency filings contained misleading and false statements and pointed-out that not one of the four contracting officers with cognizance over the protested procurements had signed the Statement of Facts in the consolidated report. The protester then went on to present agency records to prove that the Agency Report contained false and misleading statements of fact. However, even after the agency attorney was forced to concede that “errors” were made due to “miscommunications”, GAO refused to draw any negative inference from the fact that no agency contracting officer was willing to sign the Statement of Facts and a few of the disputed statements of facts had been conclusively proven to false. Why does GAO delude itself into believing that agency employees who have been accused in writing of violating procurement regulations or acting in an unreasonable manner are disinterested parties for purposes of defending their own actions in response to a GAO bid protest? There should be a requirement for all Statement of Facts presented before GAO to be signed by an agency official under penalty of perjury. I predict that such a requirement would drastically increase the percentage of protests that are sustained.

A third example of a GAO’s refusal to require agency accountability is its refusal to penalize an agency for failing to disclose all documents relevant to protest allegations along with the Agency Report. Agency attorneys should be reprimanded for not turning over all relevant documents in a timely manner and agencies should be required to reimburse protesters for forcing them to incur the attorney fees necessary to obtain documents that should have been filed accompanying the Agency Report. In many instances, agency attorneys only turn over the documents that are specifically referenced in the Agency Report and force the protester to fight to obtain any other document.

By the way, my biggest gripe with the GAO Bid Protest forum is that on past occasions GAO attorneys have denied protests after concluding that the interpretation of a Federal Acquisition Regulation (FAR) provision advanced by an agency attorney is “reasonable”, even though that interpretation happens to be inconsistent with the Federal statute that the FAR provision was supposed to implement. Vern, I have observed that you are quick to criticize DAU professors who incorrectly answers the questions posed to them, but you are conspicuously silent when GAO attorneys accept an agency interpretation of a FAR provision that is inconsistent with the Federal statute that the FAR provisions was supposed to implement. Is there a reason for this other than economic self-interest?

Ned


By Vern Edwards on Friday, September 27, 2002 - 10:59 am:

Ned:

I am silent when GAO attorneys accept an agency interpretation of a FAR provision that is inconsistent with Federal statute?

How long have you been reading Wifcon Chat? You must have missed some things. Didn't you read, among other postings, my criticism of the GAO's denial of the protests of Du & Associates, Inc. and MCR Federal, Inc., for which I was sorely taken to task by Eric Ottinger?

Get a grip, Dude! I have criticized everybody here. I don't keep quiet in order to protect my economic self-interest. What an insult!

Frankly, I find it laughable that you think agency lawyers see their role as enabling their clients to do whatever they desire. Oh, but I wish that were true. In my experience, as often as not, they're telling agency contracting officials that they can't do what the regulations do, in fact, allow. You should have been with me about five or six years ago when I described my ideas about oral presentations to a room full of Navy lawyers in Crystal City, Virginia. I didn't think I'd get out of that room alive. I'm not real popular with some agency lawyers.

I have to confess that I don't know much about protest procedures at the GAO, since I don't do protest consulting. You may be right about what's going on. But I'm frankly not interested in protest procedures. In my view, any company that files a protest when it loses a competition is managed by an idiot. What a waste of money, trying to litigate your way into a contract.

You're complaining about the GAO's legal procedure. Give me a call the next time you're in Portland, Oregon, and I'll buy you a beer so you can cry in it.

Vern


By Ned Kelly on Friday, September 27, 2002 - 02:04 pm:

Vern,

My profuse apologies if you construed my question concerning your economic self-interest as an insult. It was intended as a frank question, not an unkind accusation.

I have been reading Wifcon Chat for only a month, but I did review all threads in the on-line achieve on topics of interest to me. Since the current administration has virtually no interest in "business process re-engineering" and thinks "acquisition reform" may be achieved by simply canceling regulations, I have begun looking at non-government sources to feel the pulse of the Federal Contracting community.

Frankly, I do not think all agency attorneys see their role as enabling their clients to do whatever they desire. Certain agency attorneys are nothing more than pulps on the colon of progress. I have encountered agency attorneys who approach their jobs as an academic exercise. It does not matter to them what objectives their clients are trying to achieve. They perceive themselves as judges who must halt any agency action that is inconsistent with their personal interpretation of the applicable law and regulation. I also have encountered agency attorneys who assert that a procurement document is “legally insufficient” simply because they do not agree with the underlying business judgment. I also have encountered agency attorneys who are risk-adverse and refuse to support anything out-of-the box, simply because it is not a tried-and-true method and a disgruntled competitor might challenge it. I recall the resistance I encountered many years ago from agency attorneys when I suggested that the fully-burdened labor rates proposed by companies competing for fixed-priced service contracts could be evaluated for “price realism”.

Contracting officers complain loudly about agency attorneys who are nothing but hindrances. They rarely do anything but whisper behind closed doors about agency attorneys who enable their clients to achieve objectives by: pretending a change is within the scope of the contract when it really isn’t (so a Justification and Approval does not have to be generated); signing-off on a bogus sole source Justification and Approval (to keep the incumbent contractor performing); and, assisting in the concealment of unauthorized commitments or other improper procurement actions. I said: “many agency attorneys have built their careers on a ‘can do’ attitude that equates to nothing more than advancing disingenuous interpretations of Federal statutes and regulations, which thwart Congressional intent, defy common sense, and lack any semblance of integrity.” I was not generalizing about all agency attorneys. I was complaining about certain agency attorneys who I believe are responsible for initiating most of the “garbage” arguments that are raised before courts and boards.

I am not sure how to interpret your comment: “I don't do protest consulting.” Does this comment mean that you don’t offer agency personnel your opinions on strategies for responding to protests (e.g., permitting a company that protested its exclusion from the competitive range to rejoin the competition) in your courses? Does this mean that you have not offered agencies advice on responding to specific protest allegations as part of your consulting services?

I have been unsuccessful in communicating my thoughts if you think I am merely complaining about GAO's legal procedure. My goal was to complain about much more. And, I am puzzled that neither you nor anyone else invited me to point-out instances where GAO had interpreted FAR provisions in a manner inconsistent with the Federal statutes that the FAR provisions were supposed to implement. This forum is not just the thing for me. But, perhaps we can chat again in another forum.

Kindest regards,

Ned


By Vern Edwards on Friday, September 27, 2002 - 02:50 pm:

When I say that I don't do protest consulting, I mean that I don't take money to advise companies or agencies about protests. I have given several contracting officers advice about how to avoid or respond to a protest, but only on a personal basis. When companies ask me about protesting I tell them that a protest is a waste of time and money. Winning a protest does not mean you'll win the contract, which, presumably, is the objective.

I didn't ask you to provide an instance of GAO interpreting a statute wrongly because statutory interpretation is a matter of opinion and what matters is whose opinion counts. The GAO's opinion counts, not yours or mine. All we would end up with is your opinion against theirs, and maybe I'd agree with you and maybe I wouldn't. What would it prove one way or another?

Vern


By Kennedy How on Monday, September 30, 2002 - 12:13 pm:

I wanted to post this Friday, but there was a server glitch, according to Bob.... Anyway,

Vern,

I hope I don't either!

Maybe I'm being naive about it, but I suppose the Justice Dept could go ahead and pursue a loser case even though the originating agency decides it wouldn't be a good idea to do to. The agency probably doesn't have anything to lose, so they could conceivably acquiesce and provide whatever support to keep the case going.

On the other hand, the JD could say it was a loser case, but the agency decides to keep pursuing it, on the principle of the matter. Somebody higher than me would make that kind of decision, and I suppose the JD would have to go along with it, since we're all working for the Govt.

In my previous understandings, the JD will tell you where you stand, but it was up to the agency to decide whether to go forward or not.

In the instant decision that Bob is referring to, it could also be that somebody else would have a vested interest in it.

Kennedy


By Anonymous on Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 11:38 am:

Ned: Interesting comments. You seem pretty cynical, but you express yourself well and I hope to read more of your comments at this forum. I've found the biggest problem with agency attorneys to be their shallow understanding of the procurement process (I agree with you there.) The second is a little harder to express. May I suggest that the position of agency attorney tends to attract a type of lawyer who can not really cut it in the private sector, who lacks the required self-confidence in his adverserial skills, and who does not want to work that hard, while still keeping the title of esquire? Is that unfair?


By Vern Edwards on Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 05:20 pm:

Anonymous:

As someone who has disagreed with government procurement lawyers on more than one occasion, I have to say that you paint with a pretty broad brush, and a harsh one, at that.

Do you feel that way about all government employees, or just government lawyers?


By Anon on Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 08:46 am:

As a fed. gov't contracting specialist/ officer/procurement analyst (I've worn many hats) I have found that gov't lawyers are typical of any other profession - there are the good and the bad, the good ones have earned my deepest respect, the bad ones, my contempt. I've also dealt with private sector attorneys, the same holds true.


By Anonymous on Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 09:47 am:

From 10/1 11:38 Anonymous:

Vern:

No, I do not feel that way about all govt. employees. In my limited experience with govt. attorneys, however, the personality type I have met has tended to be as I described yesterday. For me to state otherwise would not be accurate. I do not know about you, but I am not really that confident when I am represented by a nervous attorney. And no, it was not my cases that made them nervous, the two or three protests I have had over 15 years as a CO have been easy wins where the vendor was clearly off base in his assertions. Nor has my agency got a bad record for protests. I think that was just the way they were. I really hope my very limited sample has been not indicative of the broader breed, but I have started to wonder and am interested in the experiences of others at this forum. (The shallow knowledge of contracting factor, however, I have seen many times during routine reviews of solicitations and contracts by govt. lawyers).


By anonconorig on Thursday, October 03, 2002 - 07:47 pm:

Vern:

Man are you right about the protest issue. Recently we won a contract. We were the incumbent (small business). Stayed below budget during the duration of the contract( on a CPFF mind you), had great reviews fron the client on a very complex contract. We won the follow on. The CO just faxed me the papers that the other firm's counsel filed with the GAO. So many holes in their argument, I was looking to see if the law firm was affiliated with the swiss cheese market! Unfortunately, will require more work from me and our firm, depending on whether or not GAO summarily dismisses it.

What a waste. By the way, the other firm was founded 5 years ago-body shop, we were the incumbent for 8 years and have our personnel in place. What a pain!

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