By
Homer on Tuesday, December 10, 2002
- 03:57 pm: Have a
contracting issue which impacts security v. full and open
competition.
Scenario: Assume a situation where a contract is being solicited
for construction of a public facility: i.e., passenger terminal,
transit station, or whatever- a facility with complex
environmental systems (ventilation, heating, etc.). Assume this
is a non-DOD project, where procedures for “classified”
procurements have never been historically used by the procuring
activity.
Question: In a post 9/11 environment, how are procuring
activities addressing and handling the issue of providing access
to sensitive data in a competitive procurement environment to
all prospective competing sources with no real means of limiting
access without adversely impacting the competition in the face
of potential dangers given the data could land in the hand of
terrorists? The specific concern are the specifications,
drawings, and technical information about an entire system and
location of key information on all of the intricacies and
details of the system. Certainly, access can be limited
subsequent to award through the contract terms with the
successful awardee and to some degree in a negotiated
procurement environment; but how does one limit access when the
data is needed by the prospective sources in order to
intelligently compete in a sealed bid environment?
By
Anon on Tuesday, December 10, 2002
- 04:06 pm:
Could you use FAR 52.211-4, and
when potential offerors show up to examine the specs have them
execute a nondisclosure statement?
By
formerfed on Tuesday, December 10,
2002 - 04:11 pm:
I noticed a couple procurements
in FedBizOps where non-DOD agencies only made RFP materials
available to firms with a Secret clearance. I checked witha
friend at one agency and he admitted the contract is
non-classified but the restriction is for the exact purpose you
described.
I'm not certain that is a correct way to approach it or not, but
it was the only thing that one agency could think of within the
time constraints they had.
By
Vern Edwards on Friday, December
13, 2002 - 11:02 am:
The issue is whether the
requirement for a security clearance would be unduly
restrictive.
There have been a few cases since the enactment of CICA in which
a bidder has protested that a requirement that it have a
security clearance by the time of award was unduly
restrictive of competition. The GAO has denied all such
protests.
I did not find any protest about a requirement that a bidder
have a clearance in order to get access to documents it would
need in order to prepare a proposal.
If an agency set such a requirement based on standard agency
security practices, then I doubt that the GAO would sustain any
protest in that regard. I also doubt that the GAO would object
if such a requirement had a reasonable basis, even if the agency
has no standard security practices in that regard.
If the agency does not have an established security program, one
problem will be what program to use: DOD's, DOE's, CIA's? If I
worked for an agency that did not have its own security program,
then I would not impose a clearance requirement until I had all
the information I needed in order to decide how to go about it
properly.
By
AL on Friday, December 13, 2002 -
12:10 pm:
One thing that strikes me about
this discussion is, wouldn't the solicitation and plans be
available to pretty much anyone who asks for them pursuant to
FOIA? If they are not classified, on what grounds could you
refuse to provide them to a FOIA requester? I recognize that
there is a potential problem with having building plans
available to persons with evil intent, but long ago Congress
opted for openness (generally) of government records and
information in spite of the potential for abuse and security
risks involved. Maybe I'm missing something, but I think you
could waste a lot of time and energy trying to close this
specific window of risk, while there is a wide-open door a few
steps away for anyone who wants to walk through it and is savvy
enough to ask.
By
Anonymous on Friday, December 13,
2002 - 12:25 pm:
AL
A FOIA request does not automatically release everything that is
not classified. If the Government can show the documents should
not be released, classified or not, then they are not released.
If the GAO sustained the protection of the information, I don't
see how a FOIA request would override.
By
Vern Edwards on Friday, December
13, 2002 - 12:42 pm:
AL:
I agree with Anonymous of 12:25. FOIA does not allow requesters
to get anything they want. Check the Department of Justice's
on-line FOIA guide and you'll see that it mentions the
government's need to protect information related to homeland
security after 9/11.
I believe that the GAO will support an agency's decision to
require special clearance to gain access to proposal-related
information of the kind mentioned by Homer if the agency uses a
rational procedure make its decision. I also believe that the
agency would be able to withhold such information sought
pursuant to a FOIA request.
By
AL on Friday, December 13, 2002 -
01:41 pm:
Vern and Anonymous:
I am fairly familiar with FOIA and its exemptions. I realize
that not everything that is unclassified is automatically
releasable. I am also not surprised that the Justice Department
might be taking the position that an agency can refuse to
disclose any information the release of which it believes would
be a potential security risk. DOJ (and the government generally)
historically likes to cite national security as a reason to do
all sorts of things, not all of which are proper (or improper).
DOJ can say what it wants, but the law is still the law.
I also know that FOIA has a limited number of exemptions, and I
am generally familiar with their basics. I do not see how an
unclassified solicitation and/or building plans would fit into
any of the exemptions. It isn't classified, it isn't personal
privacy information, it isn't internal agency rules, it isn't
financial institution information, it isn't geologic survey
information, it isn't trade secrets/confidential commercial
information, it isn't law enforcement information (except maybe
in special cases such as plans for prisons, police buildings &
such). I may be missing another obscure exemption or two, but
those are the major ones, and I just don't see how they fit. Law
enforcement would probably be closest, but my recollection is
that the law enforcement exemption is fairly narrow, and
probably wouldn't fit, at least not for a solictation or
building plan that is not part of a law enforcment project.
I also think that GAO may agree with a restriction to limiting
bidding to companies with security clearances, but so what? One
need not be a bidder to submit a FOIA request for records.
I'm not trying to be unnecessarily argumentative, and I think
Homer (and others) has a point. I just think that if agencies
are serious about protecting such information, they need to at
least consider going through the pain of having it classified,
or they may wind up being required to release the information
after all.
By
Anonymous on Friday, December 13,
2002 - 02:30 pm:
AL,
I hate to open another can of worms but with your comment "...
if agencies are serious about protecting such information, they
need to at least consider going through the pain of having it
classified.....", it needs to be said. It takes a lot to
classify information. If the agencies classified everything that
requires some level of protection, the Government would not be
very competative when it comes to outsourcing.
Let's look at it this way, where an airport communications hub
is located may not in of itself be classified, but is it
something that should be posted on the Internet in a
construction solicitation?
It doesn't make business sense for the Government to make some
things that should have a bit of protection classified. If
competative outsourcing is going to hold us to the "fire", we
should be able to make decisions based on what makes the best
"business sense" and have the courts and GAO support.
By
Vern Edwards on Friday, December
13, 2002 - 02:41 pm:
AL:
Maybe I'm confused. According to DOJ, the only "classified"
info exempted from disclosure under FOIA is info covered by
Exemption 1, which is info pertaining to the national defense
and foreign relations that has been classified under E.O. 12958
or Atomic Energy Act. Am I right about that? Is DOJ right? E.O.
12958 Sec. 1.5 identifies the kinds of info that may be
classified.
Now suppose that I send a FOIA request to the Bureau of Prisons
asking for the construction details of a federal prison,
including all systems: mechanical, electrical, structural, IT,
etc. As I read E.O. 12958 Sec. 1.5, that info is not
classifiable. Am I reading the E.O. right? Does the BPO have to
give me that info? Is that info covered under another FOIA
exemption?
I don't know the answer and I'm not trying to be sarcastic. Your
position seems to be that the kind of info I'm asking about,
which I think is the kind that Homer was asking about, is
readily available to anyone through FOIA. Is it?
Does anybody out there know?
By
AL on Friday, December 13, 2002 -
02:53 pm:
Annonymous--I really don't disagree with what you say. I
realize it is difficult to have information classified--and it
should be difficult. We're supposed to be an "open society." I
don't know if any of us really knows what that means, or agrees
on what it means, but I think one aspect of it is that it is
supposed to be difficult to make information classified and
unavailable.
That doesn't mean I think all building plans should be posted on
the internet, either. The primary point I have tried to make is
that, under FOIA, there is a lot of more-or-less sensitive
information that is at least potentially available to anyone
with a stamp and the smarts to know how and who to ask for it.
As for what the courts will support in a FOIA dispute, I don't
think any of us have all the answers there. There have been FOIA
decisions that have surprised me, both ways.
Perhaps what we need is one or more additional FOIA exemptions,
or other tweaking of the law, to protect such information, but I
have neither the time nor the interest to really explore that.
I must admit, I'm not sure how competitive outsourcing plays
into this, but I don't think it matters.
By
AL on Friday, December 13, 2002 -
03:00 pm:
Vern--Your example is, I think, most of what I am getting at,
and related to what Homer asked in the first place. I agree that
the plans for a prison are most likely not classifiable. That
may go as well for the type of contract solicitations that Homer
was talking about in the first place. Arguably, the plans for a
prison might fall under the law enforement exception to FOIA,
but I'm not sure. Otherwise, I don't know which exception could
apply.
Please don't take too strongly my "position." I don't think I
know the answers to any of these questions. But I'm pretty sure
they are questions that people should be thinking about.
By
formerfed on Friday, December 13,
2002 - 03:21 pm:
Vern and AL,
First of all, I think Vern is right about Exemption 1 and
classified documents. In the BPO case, the information msut be
released if Exemption 1 is the only one applied.
However faced with Homer's situation, I would made a case using
a combination of Ememption 3 (in conjunction with the Homeland
Security Act)and 7(f) - physical safety to protect a wide range
of individuals. I would argue the law enforcement exception
applies since terrorists are a known threat to our security. By
avoiding the release of sensitive design materials relating to
the construction of an ideal terrorist target, this is a
proactive measure of law enforcement.
Now this logic could be found wrong in court (and maybe is a
little far reaching), but I would rather know that a year later
after all the FOIA proceedings took place and the contract is
long awarded.
By
Vern Edwards on Friday, December
13, 2002 - 03:22 pm:
AL:
Yeah, I don't know either, and I agree that these are things
that must be thought through before any action is taken.
Vern
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Vern Edwards on Friday, December
13, 2002 - 03:47 pm:
formerfed:
You may be right about the law enforcement exemption applying to
my BOP case, but what if the request is for info about the IT
network of an office of the Bureau of Land Management or of the
Agricultural Research Service?
We must be missing something, some law or other basis for
nondisclosure.
Vern
By
AL on Friday, December 13, 2002 -
04:16 pm:
FormerFed--Not a bad argument, but ...
Exemption (sorry I called them exceptions before, exemption is
the correct term) 3 is for information some other law says is
not to be released. I certainly don't know all the other laws
that are included in that, but it has historically been
interpreted fairly narrowly. In other words, the other law that
prevents the disclosure of information has to be pretty clear
and specific about it. You can't just make a general argument
that withholding the information would be consistent with
homeland security and therefore with the Homeland Security Act.
The problem I see with exemption 7(f) is that it only applies,
by its terms, to "records or information compiled for law
enforcement purposes." Most solicitations, specifications, SOW's,
etc., are not compiled for law enforcement purposes. I think
that's probably the closest exemption, though.
By
Homer on Wednesday, December 18,
2002 - 10:51 am:
Sounds like I opened something of a can of worms. But I
appreciate the comments. |